04-21-2019, 01:24 AM
(04-20-2019, 07:06 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Well, I think the smaller countries that we liberals and democratic socialists or greenies want to be more like (which have to some extent united into a "country" larger than the USA, in other words, the European Union), do a much better job of providing for peoples' needs and solving problems than the USA does. That's because they are mixed private/public economies, and don't live under a Reaganomics regime that allows the wealthy leaders of this private sector in the USA to pollute, export jobs, make lousy products, pay low wages, etc., if they want to.FDR didn't support all the "socialist" programs that LBJ brought in during the 60's. FDR set a record with the amount of veto's that he used to keep the socialist wing of the Democratic party in check back then. FDR wouldn't have set the record had he been a liberal like yourself and he wouldn't have signed off on legislation that eliminated the Constitutional rights of a certain ethnic group (Japanese Americans), rounded them up and had them shipped to internment camps either had he been a liberal either.
Some liberals believe that they themselves or that others need services from the government. But the government is not the same as "wealthy people or corporations or institutions or other powerful interest groups." The most wealthy and powerful people in these groups support the Republican Party, because they know it looks out for their interests, lowers their taxes and regulations, hampers unions, gives them subsidies and provides their paid lobbyists with all the attention they want so they can gain favors and be appointed to positions of power by Republican presidents like Trump, and provides them the ability to acquire and spend all the campaign spending money they want so they can buy elections.
Well, I guess you could call Churchill a conservative, but not a Trump-like one. And I don't think you could call FDR a conservative, because he brought in all these "socialist" programs you don't like. General Eisenhower later ran for president as a Republican, but by today's standards, as brower points out, he might be a Democrat today like Barack Obama. On the other front, Hitler faced his staunchest resistance of the war from Soviet communists, who certainly affected what he was able to do in The West, and were supported by The West. So I'm not sure your attribution of who Hitler faced is accurate, ha ha.