Let's make fun of Trump, bash him, etc. while we can!

[David Horn]

(04-22-2019, 03:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-22-2019, 12:07 PM)David Horn Wrote: FDR was the most socialist President we've ever had in office.  He had to be.  The GD was beating the citizens of the country into the ground, so FDR created the WPA, CCC and other make-work agencies and put people to work.  That's socialism.  What LBJ did was social policy, but at the cultural level.  Socialism isn't cultural, it's economic.

And yes, FDR made some horrendous mistakes: the internment of Japanese Americans was one and refusing the St. Louis the right to dock and disgorge it's refugees was another.  Mistakes and all, he was still a great man.  LBJ did some great things too, but he also got us bogged down in the Vietnam War.  In short, both men were human beings.  Both had good intentions.   Both did good and some not-good.

FDR was the greatest Keynesian president we've had in office. Hint... If FDR was a socialist as you say, we would most likely be a socialist country today. He would've have set the record for Veto's like he did and he wouldn't have insisted on work related programs only. What LBJ did was open the door to socialist policies being set into place and established at the cultural level within impoverished areas at a time when all workers viewed working as essential which resulted in the establishment of a permanent welfare state and Democratic voting block today. IF I'm aware of it, why aren't blues aware of it and continue acting as if the permanent welfare state and the voting block that they've created and largely support, do not exist today. Now, I'm not sure if LBJ knew what he was doing or not, he's not around to ask or see the results either these days. I'd like to ask him about the crooks who took over the social movements after King, Malcolm X and the Kennedy's were assassinated and ask why so many of them are so rich and powerful these days. The truth is that Obama was the 1st socialist minded, socialist educated, socialist influenced person elected President of the United States and we both know how quickly American culture responded and how well American culture was able to control him politically. I doubt a white Obama would do better or have better result but I suppose it makes sense to give it a try.

You might be advised to do a little reading.  No one discounted the value of work; certainly not LBJ or MLK -- FDR least of all.  I would like to know where that came from.  I can say one thing about "the welfare state" you seem so adamant to trash.  That little idea came directly from the GOP, believe it or not, and the reason was a typical GOP reason: cost cutting.  LBJ's Job Corps was intended to be a job for anyone who needed and couldn't find one.  The GOP said that was too expensive (for reference: the Job Corps as it currently exists generates $2 of benefit for every $1 spent), so, at their insistence, the cost was cut by converting a lot of it into cash welfare, which the GOP immediately started hating too.  Now it's the Earned Income Tax Credit that's in their sights, which is funny because its a GOP program.

I ignored the rest as nonsense.