Let's make fun of Trump, bash him, etc. while we can!

[Eric the Green]

(04-23-2019, 12:49 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-22-2019, 10:57 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(04-22-2019, 10:52 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(04-22-2019, 03:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-22-2019, 12:07 PM)David Horn Wrote: FDR was the most socialist President we've ever had in office.  He had to be.  The GD was beating the citizens of the country into the ground, so FDR created the WPA, CCC and other make-work agencies and put people to work.  That's socialism.  What LBJ did was social policy, but at the cultural level.  Socialism isn't cultural, it's economic.

And yes, FDR made some horrendous mistakes: the internment of Japanese Americans was one and refusing the St. Louis the right to dock and disgorge it's refugees was another.  Mistakes and all, he was still a great man.  LBJ did some great things too, but he also got us bogged down in the Vietnam War.  In short, both men were human beings.  Both had good intentions.   Both did good and some not-good.

FDR was the greatest Keynesian president we've had in office. Hint... If FDR was a socialist as you say, we would most likely be a socialist country today. He would've have set the record for Veto's like he did and he wouldn't have insisted on work related programs only. What LBJ did was open the door to socialist policies being set into place and established at the cultural level within impoverished areas at a time when all workers viewed working as essential which resulted in the establishment of a permanent welfare state and Democratic voting block today. IF I'm aware of it, why aren't blues aware of it and continue acting as if the permanent welfare state and the voting block that they've created and largely support, do not exist today. Now, I'm not sure if LBJ knew what he was doing or not, he's not around to ask or see the results either these days. I'd like to ask him about the crooks who took over the social movements after King, Malcolm X and the Kennedy's were assassinated and ask why so many of them are so rich and powerful these days. The truth is that Obama was the 1st socialist minded, socialist educated, socialist influenced person elected President of the United States and we both know how quickly American culture responded and how well American culture was able to control him politically. I doubt a white Obama would do better or have better result but I suppose it makes sense to give it a try.

Classic, isn't it a fact that the policies you so oppose today and call socialist, are the ones instituted by FDR? He did more than use government spending to stimulate the economy. He instituted social security and welfare programs. He created government jobs. LBJ extended it to black populations. Are these the ones you refer to as the welfare state, and are they the voting bloc who support it? Or other ethnic groups? Immigrants?

The welfare state has been cut back so much by 40 years of your philosophy in power, that I don't think you are aware of this. You still think we live in the 1970s. Welfare is a tiny portion of the federal budget, though it is larger in some states like CA. I don't know any crooks who took over the 60s movements who are rich and powerful these days. The rich and powerful are billionaires who mostly support Republicans. That party represents their class, and no-one else. 

Obama's policies were quite mild and moderate, and mostly successfully resisted. Obama sought to enact health reform after many decades of resistance. It was not a new idea at all, had been proposed by Republicans, and it has been adopted more strongly in most other countries. According to you, those other countries are all socialists, and we are special because we aren't. I'd say we are the most backward developed country because we aren't what you call "socialist."

Agree with both actually on this. The backwards part yes and yes special too....not in good ways though to the people of your country unfortunately. Which I think Eric and I can for once agree on.

What do you know about America other than what the  liberals have to say about it? As a general rule, liberals don't have very much good to say about America or Americans in general. I mean, the liberals are so anti American we don't view them as Americans these days.  I mean, we are so backwards and all. Sorry, that crap makes me laugh. I dunno, I guess Eric hasn't strayed far enough from home to see a new American building or a modern American facility or a modern American home or an American farm operation outside the urban areas. We are so backwards ( still chopping wood or shoveling coal to heat our homes and still using newspaper or dried leaves for toilet paper and gas lamps or candles to light our homes or sinking nails with hammers) yet we are advancing so fast that Eric is concerned about cheap blue labor being completely phased out and wondering what we are going to do about that issue. Right now, America is going through a natural process of selection and when the process is nearly complete, a natural separation is going to take place and what the blues do and what the blues vote for and what the blues pass will no longer matter to America. We are pretty much their now. We just need to give people more time for moving.

You express the tenet of social Darwinism, Classic. That is part and parcel of the ideology of free-market economics, and also the justification for Hitler's racism and nationalism. Without saying what your ideology is, exactly, your phrase indicates your belief in this approach to life as competition for survival of the fittest and the devil take the hindmost. We liberals want everyone to have the opportunity to succeed, and help for those who have problems, because we don't blame the problems exclusively on the individual and his/her fitness for survival.

Today, labor is being cut out not by rural and red America folks working and beating out welfare recipients, but by the people whom your votes empower and put in office and in the board rooms. You vote for the oligarchy, in the guise of free enterprise, individualism and survival of the fittest and against welfare and immigrants. The corporate oligarchy directly benefits from your votes, frees them up, and enables them to institute free trade (which means corporations hire cheap labor abroad), computer automation and robotics (which means workers lose their jobs), low wages (which means more people in poverty), corporate buyouts (which results in more job losses and concentration of economic power), reduced regulations (which result in pollution, climate change, financial crashes and poor consumer products), lower taxes for themselves (which creates income inequality) and obstructions to labor unions (which lowers wages and worsens working conditions). Your votes create the current problems of labor being phased out. You vote for it, and your red regions suffer even more from this, and turn to opioids for solace and suicide.