07-05-2016, 11:55 AM
(07-03-2016, 01:55 PM)taramarie Wrote:(07-03-2016, 08:10 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(07-03-2016, 05:04 AM)playwrite Wrote:(06-29-2016, 06:31 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(06-29-2016, 12:53 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: "Reasonable" is what YOU propose. No, there's no doubt at all which side is reasonable, and which not.
Tis a messy issues. Tis not obvious. That's why it isn't getting resolved. If you have no doubts, you're not on a reasonable side.
This is not reasonableness, tis scantomonious glee of someone loving the status quo - a clear symptom of ammosexuality.
I'm trying to reprise a basic difference in approach between Eric and I. I'll go out of my way to show how two conflicting world views can both be considered well and truly justified. If one side of a conflict is conservative, one is apt to find some time and place in the past where the solutions provided by the world view worked very well, thank you, and might still be working well in some environments. If the other side is progressive, it is quite likely that the progressive is dwelling somewhere where the old solutions aren't working so well anymore. Anyone following this thread ought to realize that both factions truly believe their approach works and ought to be allowed, while both sides also see obvious flaws in the other side. My belief, not just in this issue, but in many issues, is that one ought to fully comprehend both sides of a story and respect where both sides are coming from. While that really isn't the human way, I have a stubborn rainbows and unicorns belief that it ought to be.
On another thread, I recently reminded people once more of the history of the Middle East. They have good reasons to hate us. Their world views are not irrational. The 'terrorists' didn't spring out of nowhere. Many US citizens, even though they ought to know better, persist in a perspective that we are the good guys pushing democracy and human rights while they are irrational religious fanatics. That might feel good, but it doesn't make for a working understanding of the problem. Without a working understanding of the problem, the problem isn't going to go away.
Eric is more representative of the human way. He has his perspective. He is absolutely correct, the other guy is absolutely wrong, and he ain't gonna listen. While he might be worse than most posters in this respect, milder variations on this sort of 'my way or the highway' thinking dominates most or our partisan threads. You don't get conversations with both people listening... with either person listening, really. He's just one of the worst case obvious examples.
Meanwhile, there you go again with ammosexuality. You know full well I don't own a firearm, let along be obsessed with stockpiling ammunition. I own a bow and about a dozen target arrows. That's it. There are times I think all you've got is that one strawman argument that you know full well is bogus. Whenever you can't answer a point, you run at the mouth with ammosexuality. It's about as meaningful and argument as comparing folks with Hitler. It's a sign you haven't a rational argument. If you insult and lie over and over again, do you think you are going to get anywhere? If we were talking about a racial or sexual issue, the sort of repeated insult based argument you indulge in would have long since been reported to the moderator. If you continue, I'm considering doing just that.
Cause it is a sexual insult. As far as I can read it, you believe you have a proper respectful relationship with your rifle, but add one feature to the weapon and the relationship becomes akin to a black guy being with a white girl, or two women being together. You go bonzo nuts with the sort of language I'd expect of a bigot. It's not a rational argument. You are not diagnosing a disease that exists outside of your obviously disturbed mind. All you are doing is making rational conversation impossible by constantly diverting the conversation away from the issue and into your perverse pseudo-sexual hang up.
You are spot on regarding the character of both playwrite and Eric. I have mentioned the exact same thing to both of them.
Please, you're going to make me cry.
Boo-hoo.
