07-26-2016, 03:31 AM
(07-26-2016, 03:00 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: I do not think it a wise use of time trying to educate Odin on the finer points of fascism, which I've studied as long as I studied Marxism-Leninism (know thy enemy and all that). I would say that Milo in particular is a libertarian. Trump is what I would call an capitalist national liberal. He has a form of what could be called liberalism in the Jeffersonian-Jacksonian sense and his rhetoric is nationalistic. Generally in the US we've called this Americanism.
That being said it is telling that the left these days does not debate idea, rather they shout names at others they disagree with. This makes rational debate with them impossible.
As far as Odin goes you are correct but it never hurts to educate others who are listening. I agree the Milo is a libertarian in general outlook even if he is not a Libertarian. Odin will never figure that sentence out. If Trump turns out to be Jacksonian or Jeffersonian in his outlook then he would be a massive improvement over every President for the last century. To the average person Trump is simply a big middle finger to the political establishment of both the left and the right which is one reason I think his odds of winning are actually pretty good.
The left believes that they have every thing in the bag and can impose their will any time they like. This is when movements end in history and a fourth turning is about the right time for something like that to happen. History is never linear at a fourth turning and America has been living with the assumptions of progressive ideology for a century now. It is clear that the technological and societal reasons for their rather mechanistic outlook are starting to pass it seems reasonable to expect that particular ideology will die with them. While the left will never admit it it appears that at a subconscious level they know their time is ending and accounts for a great deal of their hostility.
The pattern is obvious if you know what to look for.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken
If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action. -- Ludwig von Mises
If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action. -- Ludwig von Mises