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Trump hits new low in approval poll
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Quote:If anyone thinks that Marxism-Leninism offers a viable alternative through government ownership and operation of productive enterprise because it overtly opposes the inequality of capitalism as organization of productive industry he can think again.

As usual, when it comes to Marxism, you have no clue what you're talking about. Read Engels. Nationalization is capitalist.

Quote:But, the transformation — either into joint-stock companies and trusts, or into State-ownership — does not do away with the capitalistic nature of the productive forces. In the joint-stock companies and trusts, this is obvious. And the modern State, again, is only the organization that bourgeois society takes on in order to support the external conditions of the capitalist mode of production against the encroachments as well of the workers as of individual capitalists. The modern state, no matter what its form, is essentially a capitalist machine — the state of the capitalists, the ideal personification of the total national capital. The more it proceeds to the taking over of productive forces, the more does it actually become the national capitalist, the more citizens does it exploit. The workers remain wage-workers — proletarians. The capitalist relation is not done away with. It is, rather, brought to a head. But, brought to a head, it topples over. State-ownership of the productive forces is not the solution of the conflict, but concealed within it are the technical conditions that form the elements of that solution.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/ch03.htm


Quote:Bureaucracy flourished even more rapidly under the Stalinist perversion of the Marxist-Leninist ideal than it did under capitalism. 
Quote:The Soviet Union was capitalist. Read Lenin.

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Quote:No one, I think, in studying the question of the economic system of Russia, had denied its transitional character. Nor, I think, has any Communist denied that the term Socialist Soviet Republic implies the determination of Soviet power to achieve the transition to socialism, and not that the new economic system is recognized as a socialist order.
- V.I. Lenin, "Left-Wing Childishness and the Petty-Bourgeois Mentality"

So if Lenin didn't think the Soviet Union was socialist - what did he think it was?

State capitalism, modeled on the German war economy.
Quote:While the revolution in Germany is still slow in “coming forth”, our task is to study the state capitalism of the Germans, to spare no effort in copying it and not shrink from adopting dictatorial methods to hasten the copying of it. Our task is to hasten this copying even more than Peter hastened the copying of Western culture by barbarian Russia, and we must not hesitate to use barbarous methods in fighting barbarism. If there are anarchists and Left Socialist-Revolutionaries (I recall off-hand the speeches of Karelin and Ghe at the meeting of the Central Executive Committee) who indulge in Narcissus-like reflections and say that it is unbecoming for us revolutionaries to “take lessons” from German imperialism, there is only one thing we can say in reply: the revolution that took these people seriously would perish irrevocably (and deservedly).


Quote:Socialist' hagiography may have flattered the proletariat,


It doesn't. Read Marx.

Quote: When socialist writers ascribe this world-historic role to the proletariat, it is not at all, as Critical Criticism pretends to believe, because they regard the proletarians as gods. Rather the contrary. Since in the fully-formed proletariat the abstraction of all humanity, even of the semblance of humanity, is practically completeneed — the practical expression of necessity — is driven directly to revolt against this inhumanity, it follows that the proletariat can and must emancipate itself.
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Trump hits new low in approval poll - by nebraska - 01-10-2018, 12:59 AM
RE: Trump hits new low in approval poll - by lsna - 06-07-2020, 09:40 PM
RE: Trump hits new low in approval poll - by CH86 - 08-21-2020, 07:21 PM
RE: Trump hits new low in approval poll - by zdc - 01-20-2021, 07:59 AM
RE: Trump hits new low in approval poll - by Einzige - 01-31-2021, 10:21 AM
RE: Trump hits new low in approval poll - by pmc - 02-27-2021, 10:05 PM

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