02-24-2021, 07:30 AM
(02-24-2021, 12:44 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(02-23-2021, 11:05 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(02-23-2021, 10:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm not sure why you bother with me anymore either. I'm not surprised that none of you agree with me either. You haven't agreed with me for over 15 years. Why would you do an about face and begin agreeing with me now? I'd say that you and the others agreeing with me would require a miracle at this point. I probably know more about Democratic supporters and Democratic politics than you do at this point.
At one point a group of 100 Nazi scientists wrote a letter that claimed that the Jew Einstein was wrong. Einstein's response? If they were right it would take only one.
I am extremely dubious you are familiar with Democratic politics. Familiar with you own fantasies, perhaps, but not Democratic politics.
I'm kind of like Einstein in that way.
As with Einstein, it would take only one person to prove that you are wrong if you are wrong. Unlike Einstein you really are wrong. By 1933 experimental evidence already showed that gravitational lensing, a consequence of relativity, was true... because during a total eclipse of the sun on a day in which the sun was almost exactly in front of the Pleiades (a star cluster) distorted the direction of light from the star cluster enough to place the star cluster away from behind the sun. Einstein predicted the effect, and something trivial in its seeming consequences proved the most important law of physics then recently postulated true.
The Nazi physicists had attacked Einstein for being a Jew and a crank. That Albert Einstein was Jewish meant nothing in whether his theory of relativity was true or not. The Nazis held that Einstein, as a Jew, was by that fact alone a horrible person and completely unreliable. The astronomers that proved Einstein right were not all Jews. There is no such thing as "Jewish Physics" or "Negro Physics" or "Asiatic Physics", and any such thing as Deutsche Physik simply expresses what physics is done in Germany or by Germans. Einstein was German by birth and culture. A decent Germany would have been proud of the achievements of the greatest German theoretical physicist, or at least the most important one, of all time. Whether one liked the person Albert Einstein or hated him did not matter.
Except of course that the Nazis saw the Jew as an evil character by birth, incapable of any legitimate achievements, and often associated with contradictory horrors of conduct (like being both the most rapacious, amoral capitalist exploiters and the most dangerous and destructive Bolsheviks at the same time). The irony is that the Germans were the gentiles most like the Ashkenazim, the Yiddish-speaking Jews. Yiddish and German translate easily into each other, and Yiddish-speaking Jews assimilated more readily into German culture than into any other gentile culture. Jewish morality is little different from Christian morality, the theological difference between Judaism and Christianity is Jesus. From my experience with Jews, that is a triviality in determining who is moral and who is not. If anything I notice that Jews were a disproportionate part of the non-black people participating in the heroic struggle for the basic dignity of Southern blacks. I also recall that Sir Winston Churchill, who knew plenty of Jews but who hated Bolshevism had his suggestion for the redemption of the Bolshevik of Jewish origin: a return to Judaism.
I can also say this: there was nothing wrong with the German and Austrian people between 1933 and 1945 that Judaism would not have solved! I have told a Nazi that as a German-American (I thought that I was much more than half German or Swiss by ancestry before I studied my genealogy) that if I had to choose between being a Nazi and a Jew I would convert to Judaism because Judaism would be more compatible with my cultural and ethical values.
No, Classic X'er, you have far too little in common with Albert Einstein to make any tawdry comparison to him. You are a crank, and you have connected with some vile currents in American political life. Because you attach yourself to some allegedly-noble morality and an idea of "American-ness" that excludes far too many people whose presence is well entrenched, you show yourself a crank.
Quote:I'm very familiar with Democratic politics.
Maybe through the distorting 'lens' of people like the late Rush Limbaugh, who never had anything good to say about liberals.
Quote:I've been listening to it, paying attention to it and directly involved/engaged with it personally for many years.
You may neglect that someone like me has some values that are genuinely conservative. I am quite conservative on educational content, law and order, adultery, sexuality involving children, and stupefying drugs. I consider a market and consumer choice a necessity for economic sanity and satisfying results. Need I go into details about those? Much of what we consider core reality has been true since antiquity. Wise people still read Plato, the Torah and Talmud, the Buddha, or Confucius. Maybe the Quran, which isn't quite as ancient.
There are things that children must learn if they are to become competent workers, and things that youth must learn (the liberal arts) if they are to be competent leaders in commerce, the professions, and much else. Dishonesty in business dealings, let alone violent crime, rend a society. I have come to the conclusion that criminal behavior is a consequence not of oppression and poverty than it is of bad character. There are plenty of good people in the ghettos, barrios, and Reservations. Adultery destroys the emotional security that children need if they are to not be messed up. Adults messing with children mess children up. I hate drugs and drunkenness. The alternative to a market economy is either serfdom, slavery, or despotism.
Quote:You guys spend more time propping each other up and patting each other on the back and telling each other how smart you are than you spend presenting a sound/logical argument these days.
I have no need to prove how smart I am. I have learned that keeping arguments as simple as possible is the only way in which to communicate with people who have little use for long-winded sermons.
Quote:Personally, I would have parted ways with the Democrats years ago.
I don't care how long you have been on the Dark Side of American history. You are no less wrong either way.
Quote:But, money talks and a portion of the Republicans are directly tied the money and beliefs associated with the Democratic party these days.
When money talks in American politics, at least in recent years, it has usually shouted from the Right -- especially with the message that no human suffering can ever be in excess so long as it creates, enforces, enhances, or indulges the excessive desires of the economic elites.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.