08-23-2016, 02:48 AM
(08-22-2016, 03:11 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: As mikebert said, values don't come unlocked in 4Ts; one set of locked values defeats the other. Only then will you see more consensus.
At one level that's right. At some point in the real world people sharing a certain world view and set of values have to submarine those who disagree, whether at the ballot box or the battle field.
On a discussion board looking at history and political theory, there are more insightful perspectives, though, than the poster is correct and any who disagree significantly are stupid, insane, evil, selfish or etc... I work under an assumption that there are good reasons why major world view / value systems came into existence, why they stay their course, and why people stubbornly cling to them long after their productive course has run. Trying to understand history brings a better understanding of history than simply demonizing and refusing to listen to anything that conflicts with what doesn't want to hear.
A conversation that runs "I'm right, you're evil", "No I'm right, you're stupid" loses my interest after a while. I'd rather probe the reasons why people cling so sincerely to conflicting perspectives, why they are so unable to perceive anything other than their own point of view.
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