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What the next First Turning won't be like
(10-06-2021, 09:07 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(10-06-2021, 04:00 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote:
(10-05-2021, 08:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(10-05-2021, 04:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(10-03-2021, 08:52 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: I can't wait to see the looks of horror on their faces when their children are into Christianity. It will be the absolute nightmare of the secularists in my generation and it will finally be justice to the religious Millennials who have been persecuted.

How can you believe in a religion of child predators, Aspie? Catholic priests molest millions of children all over the world. Just today a report came out in France about 350,000 young teens abused by priests over 7 decades, and their leaders even steered children toward abusers.

The Catholic church creates its own problems. Ironically, it is their own suppression of sex that causes the sexual abuse. They never even consider revising their long-outdated rules. What kind of man is attracted to a profession which requires celebacy? And to a profession which no woman can practice? Sex is part of who we are; it can't be suppressed. The Taliban can't do it, and neither can the Catholics. Go around in Rome to some dens of sin and you'll find priests there. The Catholic Church is a relic; its doctrines and rules are obscenely outdated and superstitious. In the long run its fortunes can only decline, since it is unable to reform itself, or to return to the long-abandoned actual teachings of Jesus and other mystics.

If I were to suggest three reforms for the Catholic Church, then those would be:

1. married priests
2. female priests
3. an accommodation with homosexuality (although children are not to be messed with).

Sex outside of marriage remains a violation of the vow of chastity.

Protestant clergy do well enough with married clergy. With married male clergy, the preacher's wife is often integral to the smooth functioning of a local church. Female clergy seem to do well enough. As for homosexuality, I once dealt with someone struggling between his homosexuality and being a born-again Christian...

"God made you gay, and you might as well accept that. You had no more choice than you did in your skin color. Your homosexuality can be part of your testimony to the validity of Christianity so long as you do not fornicate and do not mess with children. (Of course, heterosexual fornication and sexual abuse of children are also abominations before God Almighty)."

The Catholic Church introduced the vow of celibacy as a means of preventing children of clergy inheriting Church offices and disgracing those offices with debauchery. When the clergy had a near-monopoly on learning, people of genuine curiosity and scholarship who preferred those to sex (intellectuals are generally not known for having sex as their focus in life) flocked to the Catholic Church. Once there were plenty of secular vocations, especially those that paid well (like engineering and medicine), the near-monopoly of the Catholic Church as a 'market' for hiring and employing intellectuals was over in Catholic cultures. That was in the early-modern era corresponding to the Renaissance, when the Catholic Church was replete in scandalous debauchery.

Then the church would no longer be Catholic. The solution is to prosecute anyone involved in sexual abuse and make examples of them. If someone doesn't like the 3 things you listed, they are free to go to an Anglican or Unitarian church.


The Anglican Church still considers itself Catholic. Some Anglican churches maintain the Catholic liturgy quite well; they simply no longer recognize the authority of the Pope.

The Catholic Church has had to bend to scientific reality. It accepts the scientific consensus on the origin of the Universe and the evolution of life. It recognizes the need for Saturday masses to accommodate the 24-7 economy (well, that may be over in the next 1T, which is a topic for another post). It has also adapted to the reality of democracy and the freedom of conscience. Organizations that have solid traditions are much more adaptable to change because they can shuck off what isn't so traditional or may be a suspect traditin that does more harm than good.

I basically state what I would offer if I were an outside consultant.

Exactly. They can go to the Anglican church but since the progressive people my age don't go to those types of churches and are just looking to lose faith to begin with, the change is not really effective.

I don't see why it should have to adapt to those 3 things. I don't see those 3 options as very scientific but more having to do with social issues. The outside culture is obsessed with LGBTQ and identity politics. I want a sanctuary away from the outside world, which is why I'm attracted to church in the first place. One reason I don't see the point of adapting is because people my age who are attracted to the Catholic church are people who are also tired of identity politics and the modern SJW culture.

If we adapt, we will lose the younger people people already attracted to it. I mean why do we have to adapt to ex Catholics my age who left and will never come back? They already look down on us for daring to believe in God, daring to believe in heaven, and daring to believe in miracles. It would be changing it for outside people who will never come back no matter how much you bend it for them. The people my age who are practicing Catholics (aka go to church and read the Bible) don't want these changes, the outside people my age who would never enter a church at all do and would still complain even if it happened. They won't be satisfied until everyone is secular like they are.
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RE: What the next First Turning won't be like - by AspieMillennial - 10-06-2021, 09:45 AM

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