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(02-28-2021, 03:59 PM)David Horn Wrote: (02-28-2021, 09:46 AM)beechnut79 Wrote: One of the exceptions though was that in many areas 18 to 20 year olds had won the right to drink. By the mid 1980s that was lost throughout the US as the minimum age of 21 was restored. More recently the age for purchasing tobacco products was raised as well. Why is it that we are the only place in the world where you have to be 21? And might the issue be resurrected in the next 2T?
The 18 age rule was driven by the draft. It's hard to tell anyone that they can be drafted to fight in a war, but can't drink or smoke until they're 21. Of course, that went away and so did the more permissive rules for tobacco and alcohol.
Cells are still dividing in 18-year-olds, and it is quite likely that any carcinogen that one experiences at such an age makes one prone to cancer later more powerfully than the same carcinogen to which one is exposed later. There was a time in which children in their pre-teens were smoking, and fifty years later America had an epidemic of lung cancer. Alcohol is very different from tobacco in that it is a mild drug for adults but a hard one for children.
The problem with the 18-year-old drinking age was that 18-year-old boys were plying 14-year-old girls with alcohol so that they could have sex with them. 14-year-old girls got pregnant, and that was a disaster.
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(02-28-2021, 12:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: In the Social Gospel Awakening, there was a lot of experimenting with free love, more casual dress, new sports and outdoor activities, new kinds of music that opened the way to jazz, new-thought religions that are not fundamentalist and emphasize personal experience, new arts inspired by drug use, etc., along with the prohibition movement, anti-saloon movement, fundamentalist movements, etc. But then, the Consciousness Revolution also had its conservative elements. Awakenings are much more alike than they are different according to the double rhythm.
Thanks for your thoughts.
The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".
So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.
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(03-16-2021, 04:55 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (02-28-2021, 12:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: In the Social Gospel Awakening, there was a lot of experimenting with free love, more casual dress, new sports and outdoor activities, new kinds of music that opened the way to jazz, new-thought religions that are not fundamentalist and emphasize personal experience, new arts inspired by drug use, etc., along with the prohibition movement, anti-saloon movement, fundamentalist movements, etc. But then, the Consciousness Revolution also had its conservative elements. Awakenings are much more alike than they are different according to the double rhythm.
Thanks for your thoughts.
The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".
So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.
Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.
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(03-16-2021, 03:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-16-2021, 04:55 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (02-28-2021, 12:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: In the Social Gospel Awakening, there was a lot of experimenting with free love, more casual dress, new sports and outdoor activities, new kinds of music that opened the way to jazz, new-thought religions that are not fundamentalist and emphasize personal experience, new arts inspired by drug use, etc., along with the prohibition movement, anti-saloon movement, fundamentalist movements, etc. But then, the Consciousness Revolution also had its conservative elements. Awakenings are much more alike than they are different according to the double rhythm.
Thanks for your thoughts.
The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".
So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.
Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.
A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality.
The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
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(03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality.
The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
If so, then I'm glad I'll be missing it. The last 2T was a bit chaotic but invigorating.
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(03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (03-16-2021, 03:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-16-2021, 04:55 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (02-28-2021, 12:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: In the Social Gospel Awakening, there was a lot of experimenting with free love, more casual dress, new sports and outdoor activities, new kinds of music that opened the way to jazz, new-thought religions that are not fundamentalist and emphasize personal experience, new arts inspired by drug use, etc., along with the prohibition movement, anti-saloon movement, fundamentalist movements, etc. But then, the Consciousness Revolution also had its conservative elements. Awakenings are much more alike than they are different according to the double rhythm.
Thanks for your thoughts.
The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".
So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.
Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.
A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality.
The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
I see nothing revolutionary about using new technology to do much the same things that people used to do. Say what you want about e-mail, but it is basically a revival of telegraphy. Most e-mails are short messages. Tattoos have been around for a long time in America (beginning with American sailors and diffusing more). What is revolutionary is using them for political purposes, especially for discreditable causes such as "WHITE POWER" as I once saw.
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If Donald Trump is getting stale, then his supporters are still getting caught up in the zany folly. One of the participants in the Capitol Putsch has just had his bail revoked for violating its terms. he got access to the Internet, and it was not for watching funny cat videos, reading The Brothers Karamazov from Project Gutenberg, listening to classical music on YouTube, getting sports scores, or even taking a look at some Internet pornography. All of that would have likely slipped by.
The news story:
Jan. 6 riot defendant returned to jail for using internet
By RYAN J. FOLEYE - This undated photo provided by Polk County, Iowa Jail shows Douglas Jensen. A prosecutor says Jensen, a QAnon follower, seen in a videotaped confrontation with a police officer during the Capitol insurrection violated terms of his release by watching internet videos about the Jan. 6, 2021, attack and should be returned to custody until trial. (Polk County Jail via AP, File)
[/url]IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) — A federal judge on Thursday ordered [url=https://apnews.com/article/iowa-iowa-city-arrests-des-moines-us-news-6c3055a0d88887ce7de1cda99d33130a]a prominent participant in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol to return to jail after he was caught accessing the internet to watch false conspiracy theories about the presidential election.
U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly said that Doug Jensen, 42, of Des Moines, Iowa, had violated the strict conditions that were set when he released Jensen from jail on July 13, including prohibitions on accessing the internet and using a cellphone.
Kelly ordered marshals at the federal courthouse in Des Moines, where Jensen attended Thursday’s hearing, to immediately take him into custody as he awaits trial.
Prosecutors had moved to revoke Jensen’s pretrial release on Aug. 19, days after a federal officer found Jensen in his garage using an iPhone to watch news from Rumble, a streaming platform popular with conservatives.
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Jensen acknowledged that he had earlier watched two days of the cyber symposium sponsored by MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, an ally of former President Donald Trump who used the event to push false theories that the presidential election’s outcome was changed by Chinese hackers.
Kelly noted that he had released Jensen from jail on July 13 after Jensen claimed he had an awakening behind bars and realized the QAnon conspiracy theory to which he adhered was a “pack of lies.” The judge said he put in place the strict conditions, including the internet ban, because Jensen had previously spent years following online conspiracies and acknowledged he had become a “true believer” and “digital soldier.”
Kelly said it was significant that Jensen’s violations were caught during the first unannounced visit to his home by pretrial services officers.
“It’s now clear that he has not experienced a transformation and that he continues to seek out those conspiracy theories that led to his dangerous conduct on Jan. 6,” Kelly said. “I don’t see any reason to believe that he has had the wakeup call that he needs.”
Kelly said it was unlikely that Jensen would be able to follow any other conditions of release barring internet use and that he had lost confidence in Jensen’s wife to serve as his third-party custodian. Prosecutors contended that she had facilitated his violations by leaving the phone on when she left for work.
Jensen’s attorney, Christopher Davis, had asked the court to give his client another chance, likening Jensen’s internet use to an addiction. He argued that Jensen had complied with other release conditions, including staying home on electronic monitoring and avoiding drug use, and that his violations in no way endangered public safety.
He said his client acknowledged the violations but said that it was “Orwellian” for the government to seek to jail a man who was sitting in his garage listening to the news.
Jensen was among the first people to enter the Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack, crawling through a broken window. On Thursday, prosecutors cited new video evidence to claim he was also among the last to leave over an hour later, scuffling with officers on his way out.
He told investigators he positioned himself as one of the riot leaders because he was wearing a shirt promoting QAnon and he wanted the theory to get the credit. Jensen was widely photographed during the attack.
Jensen had a knife in his pocket when he led a crowd of people toward Capitol Police officer Eugene Goodman, who was by himself and had only a baton. The crowd chased Goodman up a flight of stairs toward the Senate chamber as Jensen ignored Goodman’s orders to stop and put his hands up.
Before his July release, Jensen had spent six months in jail after he was arrested Jan. 8. He faces the prospect of years in prison, and lawyers on both sides said Thursday they were unsure if the case could be resolved in a plea or would go to trial.
Jensen is charged with seven counts, including aggravated assault, obstruction of a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder, unlawfully entering a restricted building while carrying a dangerous weapon and disorderly conduct.
from the Associated Press.
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(03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (03-16-2021, 03:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-16-2021, 04:55 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (02-28-2021, 12:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: In the Social Gospel Awakening, there was a lot of experimenting with free love, more casual dress, new sports and outdoor activities, new kinds of music that opened the way to jazz, new-thought religions that are not fundamentalist and emphasize personal experience, new arts inspired by drug use, etc., along with the prohibition movement, anti-saloon movement, fundamentalist movements, etc. But then, the Consciousness Revolution also had its conservative elements. Awakenings are much more alike than they are different according to the double rhythm.
Thanks for your thoughts.
The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".
So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.
Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.
A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality.
The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
I can't wait to see the looks of horror on their faces when their children are into Christianity. It will be the absolute nightmare of the secularists in my generation and it will finally be justice to the religious Millennials who have been persecuted.
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(03-16-2021, 04:55 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (02-28-2021, 12:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: In the Social Gospel Awakening, there was a lot of experimenting with free love, more casual dress, new sports and outdoor activities, new kinds of music that opened the way to jazz, new-thought religions that are not fundamentalist and emphasize personal experience, new arts inspired by drug use, etc., along with the prohibition movement, anti-saloon movement, fundamentalist movements, etc. But then, the Consciousness Revolution also had its conservative elements. Awakenings are much more alike than they are different according to the double rhythm.
Thanks for your thoughts.
The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".
So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.
Christian morality was heavily challenged during most if not all of the last 2T. Early on there was the Jesus People, but that was a fleeting moment in time which evaporated quickly. The Moral Majority, led by the late Jerry Falwell, was stronger but was dwarfed by the hedonism of the times. It wasn’t until the AIDS scare of the mid-1980s that the fun times ended. In the late 1980s came the cocooning trend where the partiers of the previous two decades returned to their homes. Unlike 4Ts where the bulk of the actions comes late in the turning, 2Ts tend to be front loaded with the bulk of the action occurring in the turning’s early stage. But the disco years were certainly an extension of the hedonism spawned during the free love period.
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Just watch, as I do not have a transcript:
The subpoenas are coming for people who funded or organized the activities, arranged or coordinated travel, or egged on violence. These are not people involved directly in the Capitol Putsch -- the people who broke into the Capitol. Some of these who will face subpoenas are rich and powerful actors in politics and economic power.
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(10-03-2021, 08:52 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (03-16-2021, 03:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-16-2021, 04:55 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (02-28-2021, 12:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: In the Social Gospel Awakening, there was a lot of experimenting with free love, more casual dress, new sports and outdoor activities, new kinds of music that opened the way to jazz, new-thought religions that are not fundamentalist and emphasize personal experience, new arts inspired by drug use, etc., along with the prohibition movement, anti-saloon movement, fundamentalist movements, etc. But then, the Consciousness Revolution also had its conservative elements. Awakenings are much more alike than they are different according to the double rhythm.
Thanks for your thoughts.
The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".
So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.
Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.
A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality.
The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
I can't wait to see the looks of horror on their faces when their children are into Christianity. It will be the absolute nightmare of the secularists in my generation and it will finally be justice to the religious Millennials who have been persecuted.
How can you believe in a religion of child predators, Aspie? Catholic priests molest millions of children all over the world. Just today a report came out in France about 350,000 young teens abused by priests over 7 decades, and their leaders even steered children toward abusers.
The Catholic church creates its own problems. Ironically, it is their own suppression of sex that causes the sexual abuse. They never even consider revising their long-outdated rules. What kind of man is attracted to a profession which requires celebacy? And to a profession which no woman can practice? Sex is part of who we are; it can't be suppressed. The Taliban can't do it, and neither can the Catholics. Go around in Rome to some dens of sin and you'll find priests there. The Catholic Church is a relic; its doctrines and rules are obscenely outdated and superstitious. In the long run its fortunes can only decline, since it is unable to reform itself, or to return to the long-abandoned actual teachings of Jesus and other mystics.
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(10-05-2021, 04:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (10-03-2021, 08:52 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (03-16-2021, 03:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-16-2021, 04:55 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".
So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.
Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.
A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality.
The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
I can't wait to see the looks of horror on their faces when their children are into Christianity. It will be the absolute nightmare of the secularists in my generation and it will finally be justice to the religious Millennials who have been persecuted.
How can you believe in a religion of child predators, Aspie? Catholic priests molest millions of children all over the world. Just today a report came out in France about 350,000 young teens abused by priests over 7 decades, and their leaders even steered children toward abusers.
The Catholic church creates its own problems. Ironically, it is their own suppression of sex that causes the sexual abuse. They never even consider revising their long-outdated rules. What kind of man is attracted to a profession which requires celebacy? And to a profession which no woman can practice? Sex is part of who we are; it can't be suppressed. The Taliban can't do it, and neither can the Catholics. Go around in Rome to some dens of sin and you'll find priests there. The Catholic Church is a relic; its doctrines and rules are obscenely outdated and superstitious. In the long run its fortunes can only decline, since it is unable to reform itself, or to return to the long-abandoned actual teachings of Jesus and other mystics.
If I were to suggest three reforms for the Catholic Church, then those would be:
1. married priests
2. female priests
3. an accommodation with homosexuality (although children are not to be messed with).
Sex outside of marriage remains a violation of the vow of chastity.
Protestant clergy do well enough with married clergy. With married male clergy, the preacher's wife is often integral to the smooth functioning of a local church. Female clergy seem to do well enough. As for homosexuality, I once dealt with someone struggling between his homosexuality and being a born-again Christian...
"God made you gay, and you might as well accept that. You had no more choice than you did in your skin color. Your homosexuality can be part of your testimony to the validity of Christianity so long as you do not fornicate and do not mess with children. (Of course, heterosexual fornication and sexual abuse of children are also abominations before God Almighty)."
The Catholic Church introduced the vow of celibacy as a means of preventing children of clergy inheriting Church offices and disgracing those offices with debauchery. When the clergy had a near-monopoly on learning, people of genuine curiosity and scholarship who preferred those to sex (intellectuals are generally not known for having sex as their focus in life) flocked to the Catholic Church. Once there were plenty of secular vocations, especially those that paid well (like engineering and medicine), the near-monopoly of the Catholic Church as a 'market' for hiring and employing intellectuals was over in Catholic cultures. That was in the early-modern era corresponding to the Renaissance, when the Catholic Church was replete in scandalous debauchery.
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(10-05-2021, 08:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (10-05-2021, 04:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (10-03-2021, 08:52 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (03-16-2021, 03:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.
A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality.
The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
I can't wait to see the looks of horror on their faces when their children are into Christianity. It will be the absolute nightmare of the secularists in my generation and it will finally be justice to the religious Millennials who have been persecuted.
How can you believe in a religion of child predators, Aspie? Catholic priests molest millions of children all over the world. Just today a report came out in France about 350,000 young teens abused by priests over 7 decades, and their leaders even steered children toward abusers.
The Catholic church creates its own problems. Ironically, it is their own suppression of sex that causes the sexual abuse. They never even consider revising their long-outdated rules. What kind of man is attracted to a profession which requires celebacy? And to a profession which no woman can practice? Sex is part of who we are; it can't be suppressed. The Taliban can't do it, and neither can the Catholics. Go around in Rome to some dens of sin and you'll find priests there. The Catholic Church is a relic; its doctrines and rules are obscenely outdated and superstitious. In the long run its fortunes can only decline, since it is unable to reform itself, or to return to the long-abandoned actual teachings of Jesus and other mystics.
If I were to suggest three reforms for the Catholic Church, then those would be:
1. married priests
2. female priests
3. an accommodation with homosexuality (although children are not to be messed with).
Sex outside of marriage remains a violation of the vow of chastity.
Protestant clergy do well enough with married clergy. With married male clergy, the preacher's wife is often integral to the smooth functioning of a local church. Female clergy seem to do well enough. As for homosexuality, I once dealt with someone struggling between his homosexuality and being a born-again Christian...
"God made you gay, and you might as well accept that. You had no more choice than you did in your skin color. Your homosexuality can be part of your testimony to the validity of Christianity so long as you do not fornicate and do not mess with children. (Of course, heterosexual fornication and sexual abuse of children are also abominations before God Almighty)."
The Catholic Church introduced the vow of celibacy as a means of preventing children of clergy inheriting Church offices and disgracing those offices with debauchery. When the clergy had a near-monopoly on learning, people of genuine curiosity and scholarship who preferred those to sex (intellectuals are generally not known for having sex as their focus in life) flocked to the Catholic Church. Once there were plenty of secular vocations, especially those that paid well (like engineering and medicine), the near-monopoly of the Catholic Church as a 'market' for hiring and employing intellectuals was over in Catholic cultures. That was in the early-modern era corresponding to the Renaissance, when the Catholic Church was replete in scandalous debauchery.
Then the church would no longer be Catholic. The solution is to prosecute anyone involved in sexual abuse and make examples of them. If someone doesn't like the 3 things you listed, they are free to go to an Anglican or Unitarian church.
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(10-05-2021, 04:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (10-03-2021, 08:52 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (03-16-2021, 03:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-16-2021, 04:55 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".
So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.
Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.
A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality.
The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
I can't wait to see the looks of horror on their faces when their children are into Christianity. It will be the absolute nightmare of the secularists in my generation and it will finally be justice to the religious Millennials who have been persecuted.
How can you believe in a religion of child predators, Aspie? Catholic priests molest millions of children all over the world. Just today a report came out in France about 350,000 young teens abused by priests over 7 decades, and their leaders even steered children toward abusers.
The Catholic church creates its own problems. Ironically, it is their own suppression of sex that causes the sexual abuse. They never even consider revising their long-outdated rules. What kind of man is attracted to a profession which requires celebacy? And to a profession which no woman can practice? Sex is part of who we are; it can't be suppressed. The Taliban can't do it, and neither can the Catholics. Go around in Rome to some dens of sin and you'll find priests there. The Catholic Church is a relic; its doctrines and rules are obscenely outdated and superstitious. In the long run its fortunes can only decline, since it is unable to reform itself, or to return to the long-abandoned actual teachings of Jesus and other mystics.
Because it's one of the only institutions that is a stable rock in society that's constantly changing and one of the only institutions not saying things like "God and heaven are metaphors" and all kinds of nonsense you see. I think today's society is too sex obsessed. They are willing to throw out concepts like God, meaning, eternal salvation, and heaven just because of issues with sex and sexuality.
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(10-06-2021, 04:00 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (10-05-2021, 08:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (10-05-2021, 04:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (10-03-2021, 08:52 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality.
The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
I can't wait to see the looks of horror on their faces when their children are into Christianity. It will be the absolute nightmare of the secularists in my generation and it will finally be justice to the religious Millennials who have been persecuted.
How can you believe in a religion of child predators, Aspie? Catholic priests molest millions of children all over the world. Just today a report came out in France about 350,000 young teens abused by priests over 7 decades, and their leaders even steered children toward abusers.
The Catholic church creates its own problems. Ironically, it is their own suppression of sex that causes the sexual abuse. They never even consider revising their long-outdated rules. What kind of man is attracted to a profession which requires celebacy? And to a profession which no woman can practice? Sex is part of who we are; it can't be suppressed. The Taliban can't do it, and neither can the Catholics. Go around in Rome to some dens of sin and you'll find priests there. The Catholic Church is a relic; its doctrines and rules are obscenely outdated and superstitious. In the long run its fortunes can only decline, since it is unable to reform itself, or to return to the long-abandoned actual teachings of Jesus and other mystics.
If I were to suggest three reforms for the Catholic Church, then those would be:
1. married priests
2. female priests
3. an accommodation with homosexuality (although children are not to be messed with).
Sex outside of marriage remains a violation of the vow of chastity.
Protestant clergy do well enough with married clergy. With married male clergy, the preacher's wife is often integral to the smooth functioning of a local church. Female clergy seem to do well enough. As for homosexuality, I once dealt with someone struggling between his homosexuality and being a born-again Christian...
"God made you gay, and you might as well accept that. You had no more choice than you did in your skin color. Your homosexuality can be part of your testimony to the validity of Christianity so long as you do not fornicate and do not mess with children. (Of course, heterosexual fornication and sexual abuse of children are also abominations before God Almighty)."
The Catholic Church introduced the vow of celibacy as a means of preventing children of clergy inheriting Church offices and disgracing those offices with debauchery. When the clergy had a near-monopoly on learning, people of genuine curiosity and scholarship who preferred those to sex (intellectuals are generally not known for having sex as their focus in life) flocked to the Catholic Church. Once there were plenty of secular vocations, especially those that paid well (like engineering and medicine), the near-monopoly of the Catholic Church as a 'market' for hiring and employing intellectuals was over in Catholic cultures. That was in the early-modern era corresponding to the Renaissance, when the Catholic Church was replete in scandalous debauchery.
Then the church would no longer be Catholic. The solution is to prosecute anyone involved in sexual abuse and make examples of them. If someone doesn't like the 3 things you listed, they are free to go to an Anglican or Unitarian church.
The Anglican Church still considers itself Catholic. Some Anglican churches maintain the Catholic liturgy quite well; they simply no longer recognize the authority of the Pope.
The Catholic Church has had to bend to scientific reality. It accepts the scientific consensus on the origin of the Universe and the evolution of life. It recognizes the need for Saturday masses to accommodate the 24-7 economy (well, that may be over in the next 1T, which is a topic for another post). It has also adapted to the reality of democracy and the freedom of conscience. Organizations that have solid traditions are much more adaptable to change because they can shuck off what isn't so traditional or may be a suspect traditin that does more harm than good.
I basically state what I would offer if I were an outside consultant.
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I don't know if I have addressed this yet, but I see the 24-7 economy, possible when America had an over-abundance of super-cheap labor that had to work two jobs to survive, and no longer possible when high-quality labor isn't available cheaply to do third-shift jobs in fast-food places, convenience stores, and general merchandisers.
I do not miss that part of the American economy.
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(10-06-2021, 09:07 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: (10-06-2021, 04:00 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (10-05-2021, 08:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (10-05-2021, 04:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (10-03-2021, 08:52 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: I can't wait to see the looks of horror on their faces when their children are into Christianity. It will be the absolute nightmare of the secularists in my generation and it will finally be justice to the religious Millennials who have been persecuted.
How can you believe in a religion of child predators, Aspie? Catholic priests molest millions of children all over the world. Just today a report came out in France about 350,000 young teens abused by priests over 7 decades, and their leaders even steered children toward abusers.
The Catholic church creates its own problems. Ironically, it is their own suppression of sex that causes the sexual abuse. They never even consider revising their long-outdated rules. What kind of man is attracted to a profession which requires celebacy? And to a profession which no woman can practice? Sex is part of who we are; it can't be suppressed. The Taliban can't do it, and neither can the Catholics. Go around in Rome to some dens of sin and you'll find priests there. The Catholic Church is a relic; its doctrines and rules are obscenely outdated and superstitious. In the long run its fortunes can only decline, since it is unable to reform itself, or to return to the long-abandoned actual teachings of Jesus and other mystics.
If I were to suggest three reforms for the Catholic Church, then those would be:
1. married priests
2. female priests
3. an accommodation with homosexuality (although children are not to be messed with).
Sex outside of marriage remains a violation of the vow of chastity.
Protestant clergy do well enough with married clergy. With married male clergy, the preacher's wife is often integral to the smooth functioning of a local church. Female clergy seem to do well enough. As for homosexuality, I once dealt with someone struggling between his homosexuality and being a born-again Christian...
"God made you gay, and you might as well accept that. You had no more choice than you did in your skin color. Your homosexuality can be part of your testimony to the validity of Christianity so long as you do not fornicate and do not mess with children. (Of course, heterosexual fornication and sexual abuse of children are also abominations before God Almighty)."
The Catholic Church introduced the vow of celibacy as a means of preventing children of clergy inheriting Church offices and disgracing those offices with debauchery. When the clergy had a near-monopoly on learning, people of genuine curiosity and scholarship who preferred those to sex (intellectuals are generally not known for having sex as their focus in life) flocked to the Catholic Church. Once there were plenty of secular vocations, especially those that paid well (like engineering and medicine), the near-monopoly of the Catholic Church as a 'market' for hiring and employing intellectuals was over in Catholic cultures. That was in the early-modern era corresponding to the Renaissance, when the Catholic Church was replete in scandalous debauchery.
Then the church would no longer be Catholic. The solution is to prosecute anyone involved in sexual abuse and make examples of them. If someone doesn't like the 3 things you listed, they are free to go to an Anglican or Unitarian church.
The Anglican Church still considers itself Catholic. Some Anglican churches maintain the Catholic liturgy quite well; they simply no longer recognize the authority of the Pope.
The Catholic Church has had to bend to scientific reality. It accepts the scientific consensus on the origin of the Universe and the evolution of life. It recognizes the need for Saturday masses to accommodate the 24-7 economy (well, that may be over in the next 1T, which is a topic for another post). It has also adapted to the reality of democracy and the freedom of conscience. Organizations that have solid traditions are much more adaptable to change because they can shuck off what isn't so traditional or may be a suspect traditin that does more harm than good.
I basically state what I would offer if I were an outside consultant.
Exactly. They can go to the Anglican church but since the progressive people my age don't go to those types of churches and are just looking to lose faith to begin with, the change is not really effective.
I don't see why it should have to adapt to those 3 things. I don't see those 3 options as very scientific but more having to do with social issues. The outside culture is obsessed with LGBTQ and identity politics. I want a sanctuary away from the outside world, which is why I'm attracted to church in the first place. One reason I don't see the point of adapting is because people my age who are attracted to the Catholic church are people who are also tired of identity politics and the modern SJW culture.
If we adapt, we will lose the younger people people already attracted to it. I mean why do we have to adapt to ex Catholics my age who left and will never come back? They already look down on us for daring to believe in God, daring to believe in heaven, and daring to believe in miracles. It would be changing it for outside people who will never come back no matter how much you bend it for them. The people my age who are practicing Catholics (aka go to church and read the Bible) don't want these changes, the outside people my age who would never enter a church at all do and would still complain even if it happened. They won't be satisfied until everyone is secular like they are.
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(10-06-2021, 09:45 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (10-06-2021, 09:07 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: (10-06-2021, 04:00 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (10-05-2021, 08:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (10-05-2021, 04:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: How can you believe in a religion of child predators, Aspie? Catholic priests molest millions of children all over the world. Just today a report came out in France about 350,000 young teens abused by priests over 7 decades, and their leaders even steered children toward abusers.
The Catholic church creates its own problems. Ironically, it is their own suppression of sex that causes the sexual abuse. They never even consider revising their long-outdated rules. What kind of man is attracted to a profession which requires celebacy? And to a profession which no woman can practice? Sex is part of who we are; it can't be suppressed. The Taliban can't do it, and neither can the Catholics. Go around in Rome to some dens of sin and you'll find priests there. The Catholic Church is a relic; its doctrines and rules are obscenely outdated and superstitious. In the long run its fortunes can only decline, since it is unable to reform itself, or to return to the long-abandoned actual teachings of Jesus and other mystics.
If I were to suggest three reforms for the Catholic Church, then those would be:
1. married priests
2. female priests
3. an accommodation with homosexuality (although children are not to be messed with).
Sex outside of marriage remains a violation of the vow of chastity.
Protestant clergy do well enough with married clergy. With married male clergy, the preacher's wife is often integral to the smooth functioning of a local church. Female clergy seem to do well enough. As for homosexuality, I once dealt with someone struggling between his homosexuality and being a born-again Christian...
"God made you gay, and you might as well accept that. You had no more choice than you did in your skin color. Your homosexuality can be part of your testimony to the validity of Christianity so long as you do not fornicate and do not mess with children. (Of course, heterosexual fornication and sexual abuse of children are also abominations before God Almighty)."
The Catholic Church introduced the vow of celibacy as a means of preventing children of clergy inheriting Church offices and disgracing those offices with debauchery. When the clergy had a near-monopoly on learning, people of genuine curiosity and scholarship who preferred those to sex (intellectuals are generally not known for having sex as their focus in life) flocked to the Catholic Church. Once there were plenty of secular vocations, especially those that paid well (like engineering and medicine), the near-monopoly of the Catholic Church as a 'market' for hiring and employing intellectuals was over in Catholic cultures. That was in the early-modern era corresponding to the Renaissance, when the Catholic Church was replete in scandalous debauchery.
Then the church would no longer be Catholic. The solution is to prosecute anyone involved in sexual abuse and make examples of them. If someone doesn't like the 3 things you listed, they are free to go to an Anglican or Unitarian church.
The Anglican Church still considers itself Catholic. Some Anglican churches maintain the Catholic liturgy quite well; they simply no longer recognize the authority of the Pope.
The Catholic Church has had to bend to scientific reality. It accepts the scientific consensus on the origin of the Universe and the evolution of life. It recognizes the need for Saturday masses to accommodate the 24-7 economy (well, that may be over in the next 1T, which is a topic for another post). It has also adapted to the reality of democracy and the freedom of conscience. Organizations that have solid traditions are much more adaptable to change because they can shuck off what isn't so traditional or may be a suspect traditin that does more harm than good.
I basically state what I would offer if I were an outside consultant.
Exactly. They can go to the Anglican church but since the progressive people my age don't go to those types of churches and are just looking to lose faith to begin with, the change is not really effective.
I don't see why it should have to adapt to those 3 things. I don't see those 3 options as very scientific but more having to do with social issues. The outside culture is obsessed with LGBTQ and identity politics. I want a sanctuary away from the outside world, which is why I'm attracted to church in the first place. One reason I don't see the point of adapting is because people my age who are attracted to the Catholic church are people who are also tired of identity politics and the modern SJW culture.
If we adapt, we will lose the younger people people already attracted to it. I mean why do we have to adapt to ex Catholics my age who left and will never come back? They already look down on us for daring to believe in God, daring to believe in heaven, and daring to believe in miracles. It would be changing it for outside people who will never come back no matter how much you bend it for them. The people my age who are practicing Catholics (aka go to church and read the Bible) don't want these changes, the outside people my age who would never enter a church at all do and would still complain even if it happened. They won't be satisfied until everyone is secular like they are.
Those rules were not taught by Jesus, and have nothing to do with religion, heaven, God or miracles. I am sorry that the Catholic Church has decided to continue to decline, and even run afoul of the law, which will continue to be the result of these outdated rules. These may be identity issues, but they are the stance on identity politics that the Church has chosen. It is the conservatives like you, even more than liberals, who make these culture war issues such a part of politics and society.
The church I go to is about as opposite to you on these things and fully embracing of identity politics as you can get (it's a Unitarian-Universalist church). It may get tiring, but since I like justice and fairness, I support it. Social Justice Warriors are fine by me, because I support social justice rather than oppression. Diversity of color, gender and sexual identity is sacred, says the minister every week. And even being a Unitarian who belongs to an identity-politics-obsessed church, I can still believe in miracles, heaven and God and the limits of science because Unitarians are respected for whatever their beliefs and knowledge are. But you would hate it there Aspie, I am sure.
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(10-06-2021, 04:05 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (10-05-2021, 04:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (10-03-2021, 08:52 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (03-16-2021, 03:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.
A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality.
The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
I can't wait to see the looks of horror on their faces when their children are into Christianity. It will be the absolute nightmare of the secularists in my generation and it will finally be justice to the religious Millennials who have been persecuted.
How can you believe in a religion of child predators, Aspie? Catholic priests molest millions of children all over the world. Just today a report came out in France about 350,000 young teens abused by priests over 7 decades, and their leaders even steered children toward abusers.
The Catholic church creates its own problems. Ironically, it is their own suppression of sex that causes the sexual abuse. They never even consider revising their long-outdated rules. What kind of man is attracted to a profession which requires celebacy? And to a profession which no woman can practice? Sex is part of who we are; it can't be suppressed. The Taliban can't do it, and neither can the Catholics. Go around in Rome to some dens of sin and you'll find priests there. The Catholic Church is a relic; its doctrines and rules are obscenely outdated and superstitious. In the long run its fortunes can only decline, since it is unable to reform itself, or to return to the long-abandoned actual teachings of Jesus and other mystics.
Because it's one of the only institutions that is a stable rock in society that's constantly changing and one of the only institutions not saying things like "God and heaven are metaphors" and all kinds of nonsense you see. I think today's society is too sex obsessed. They are willing to throw out concepts like God, meaning, eternal salvation, and heaven just because of issues with sex and sexuality.
Our society WAS too sex-obsessed. Now it is sex-repression-obsessed. Or both at once, depending on which part of culture you meet. I don't see people throwing "out concepts like God, meaning, eternal salvation, and heaven just because of issues with sex and sexuality." I don't see any connection between these issues.
Our approach considers God and heaven etc. as aspects of reality to experience and learn more about, rather than stories in a book to believe in, and a basis for knocking others who don't believe in them.
Catholic Church doctrine used to teach that God created the world in 6 days, and all creation is the same as it was 6025 years ago. But it is established knowledge that life has evolved and changed over millennia, and therefore life progresses and develops rather than being like a stable rock. You don't even have to consider evolution; just consider how a plant or animal develops in its lifetime. It grows from a seed and continues to grow and change. That is the way of life. Your Church simply refuses to be alive.
Of course, today even the Church is more willing to accept science. And those like me who accept evolution don't have to reduce it to natural selection or some other mechanical cause, but also see it as divine spirit or God unfolding and expressing.
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(10-06-2021, 12:45 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (10-06-2021, 04:05 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (10-05-2021, 04:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (10-03-2021, 08:52 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: (03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality.
The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
I can't wait to see the looks of horror on their faces when their children are into Christianity. It will be the absolute nightmare of the secularists in my generation and it will finally be justice to the religious Millennials who have been persecuted.
How can you believe in a religion of child predators, Aspie? Catholic priests molest millions of children all over the world. Just today a report came out in France about 350,000 young teens abused by priests over 7 decades, and their leaders even steered children toward abusers.
The Catholic church creates its own problems. Ironically, it is their own suppression of sex that causes the sexual abuse. They never even consider revising their long-outdated rules. What kind of man is attracted to a profession which requires celebacy? And to a profession which no woman can practice? Sex is part of who we are; it can't be suppressed. The Taliban can't do it, and neither can the Catholics. Go around in Rome to some dens of sin and you'll find priests there. The Catholic Church is a relic; its doctrines and rules are obscenely outdated and superstitious. In the long run its fortunes can only decline, since it is unable to reform itself, or to return to the long-abandoned actual teachings of Jesus and other mystics.
Because it's one of the only institutions that is a stable rock in society that's constantly changing and one of the only institutions not saying things like "God and heaven are metaphors" and all kinds of nonsense you see. I think today's society is too sex obsessed. They are willing to throw out concepts like God, meaning, eternal salvation, and heaven just because of issues with sex and sexuality.
Our society WAS too sex-obsessed. Now it is sex-repression-obsessed. Or both at once, depending on which part of culture you meet. I don't see people throwing "out concepts like God, meaning, eternal salvation, and heaven just because of issues with sex and sexuality." I don't see any connection between these issues.
Our approach considers God and heaven etc. as aspects of reality to experience and learn more about, rather than stories in a book to believe in, and a basis for knocking others who don't believe in them.
I think with how much pornography is promoted, polyamory, or LGBT is promoted (it's in kids shows now) is very sex obsessed. There is also lots of sexual things in the music videos. Do you see these things as sex obsessed?
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