Let's make fun of Trump, bash him, etc. while we can!

[pbrower2a]

(01-07-2022, 02:05 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-07-2022, 12:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Ain't it the truth!

I've been in the Capitol on a tour, and I had great reverence for its history as a place in which many of the defining moments in American history were made. This is where Congress approved treaties annexing land or ending wars... and of course determining that the soldiers putting their lives at risk for their country had the supplies that they needed. This is where many of the great debates were made on Social Security, the GI Bill, civil rights, and Medicare were made. You may dislike what goes on at times, but we usually get things right.

The putschists are a great disgrace to America. Maybe they failed to fully understand what they were doing, as this is without precedent -- for reasons that most of us well understood beforehand. Many of us know now, especially as jail and prison terms get imposed. I have heard some invoking white privilege as an excuse; what schmucks!

Much was said, but nothing resembles what one might have expected from Everett Dirksen or Barack Obama in the Senate. I've seen the Capitol Police, and they seemed more like tour guides because most people have typically held the Capitol as a place of deep reverence. Had the putschists succeeded there might never be room for the sorts of people that I mentioned as Senators from Illinois.

The government is a disgrace for the most part these days.

Far too simplistic. Donald Trump, wholly inadequate to be President because of his egocentric personality (in essence, everything is about himself, and to him such is the sole measure of virtue) that cannot recognize the indelible diversity of America in every possible aspect. This country may have a living saint or two, but it also has Dennis "BTK" Rader and Gary "Green River Rapist/Killer" Ridgway in it. Criminals love to get fake US passports because about everyone looks like some sort of American -- of course they do not want to show their criminality as they seek victims. (The second choice is Brazil, the only country that comes close to American diversity). Americans have multiple traditions, mostly from elsewhere, some formed here out of necessity (African-American heritage, all of which is made in America because slave-masters obliterated any cultural connections to Africa), and quite a few (tribal) traditions in America. Not one such tradition can be claimed to be better than another unless it is criminal. (If you ask which culture I disparage, I well know that most Italian-Americans agree with me on the Mafia types. I also concur with about everybody but themselves on KKK and neo-Nazi ideology, which is sickness. There is little difference between the KKK and Nazis). Labor-management differences have traditionally created their ideological divide, and I could make the case that America was at its best in its politics when such was the main divide. 

American government can only rarely be better than what people vote for. Ideally people are voting for people more competent at legislation and administration than they are themselves. We elect a disproportionate number of attorneys, but as a rule these are the closest things to learned generalists; I'm not convinced that learned non-generalists such as medical professionals, engineers, accountants, and research scientists would be good at government. Aside from Trump (who was a certifiable disaster as President), the most entrepreneurial fellow that anyone can now remember becoming President was Harry S Truman, and he was not a successful entrepreneur. He was a fine politician, and he well fit the pattern of a learned generalist. He read a lot... a lot. Ideally we do not elect rogues, although we have some. Maybe someone can't keep his hands off other people due to a sex drive out of control. 

Well, Donald Trump is a rogue, and it is not surprising that someone who cares for nobody except himself will use government to serve whatever desires they are. Trump is extremely immature and not particularly learned. I have never heard him cite any person from whom one can learn anything. I can cite Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and Confucius on occasion, and don't let me forget the most accessible of all philosophers, Bertrand Russell. That is all that you need to know about me.  

Trump had none of the usual preparation to be President, and he is a dreadful person. That explains why Obama is already recognized as above-average as a President and Trump is one of the worst.       

Quote:I mean, look at all the (nonsense) the government supports and allows to go on today. You're upset and appalled, Me, I wasn't surprised and summed it up as a bunch of morons receiving a dose of their own. Like I said, I wouldn't want to be you or Eric knowing where most Americans are at as far as the government goes,

 
Well, well, well! We do not have some secret police like the Stasi that has informers everywhere that knows what view one holds, whether one likes the political and economic order, what cultural connections one has, what one's religious beliefs are, and has the means to send one to a some Orwellian "joycamp" -- that is, a political prison as the vile regime of Oceania twists words into lies in 1984. Maybe you'd like to have such places for people who dissent with your views. You play with fire if you seek such on behalf of your side. Many people who thought themselves the most dedicated Communists ended up dead under Josef Stalin.

74 million Americans voted for Trump and 81 million voted for Biden. That seems like a huge margin, but Trump still came close to winning due to the distortions that the Electoral College creates.  Joe Biden could have conceivably gotten an outright majority of the popular vote and lost to Trump with about a one-million nationwide shift in the popular vote toward Trump.

I know your kind well: all too well, Classic X'er. I know people who think that the definitive act of patriotism is to be part of the Trump wing of the Republican Party. Egad! I know people who think that the only real Americans are white Protestants of the fundamentalist variety. Egad! Such people are the clear majority in some parts of America, but those parts are grossly unrepresentative of America as a whole.

Quote:PB, I don't if you are up to par on current events but there are two large groups of people with no love loss between them. Hint: I'm related to one and you're related to the other and there's a group of independents (mainly moderate Democrats and moderate Democrats who switched parties over abortion or whatever) but they're pretty much irrelevant at this point. You should start checking the information your being fed by the Democratic party. The bulk of it is outdated and irrelevant.  I'm not continually fed information like you guys.

I suspect that you rely heavily upon FoX Propaganda Channel for news (it is OK on breaking news) for your view of the world.  FoX News is highly manipulative and has a powerful right-wing bias that turns its analysis into outright propaganda. 

Here is a relatively dated view (2004) but still it gives a pattern which has only intensified. 



If you are letting FoX into your mind, then your mind is being devoured much like a literal fox that gets into the hen house devours eggs.