Debate about Gun Control

[Eric the Green]

(09-13-2016, 05:06 PM)Copperfield Wrote:

(09-08-2016, 02:10 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Wow, you talk about me needing to get out more. You really should acquaint yourself with American history Copperfield; the strike-breaking thugs at Ford and Carnegie, the child labor, the low wages, the fight for unions at the auto plants by the CIO, the deaths in sweatshops from New York in 1911 to Bangladesh today, the pollution of our rivers and lakes by business, the impact of coal on climate change, the robber barons who gouge customers and force competitors out of business, the discrimination against women, the unsafe cars and other products, the lobbyists who take over our government; my goodness I'm sure I could go on all day about what unregulated business does. These guys are not hippies or angels who can be trusted to just be let alone and not pay taxes. Climb out of your wilderness and find out what goes on in the rest of the country. Read People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn and then get back to me on this.

Honestly Eric, we've covered this ground before. When we did I recommended that you research what business charters are, who grants them, the rights granted by those charters and who protects and encourages those rights granted in those charters (long story short - learn what LLC means and get back to me once you understand the concept). The most amusing thing is that you still purchase things made in sweatshops by major polluters (you just don't know it) having long supported the outsourcing of those naughty things to foreign nations in an attempt ease your own conscience. These sort of things go on because of regulation. It's one of the primary features of government regulation.

Keep at it though. I'm sure one day you will be able to name an actual "unregulated" business. At that point we can discuss it. I'm sure it will be fun.

The old saw of "business charters" and who gives them is really tiring. You cling to that like a Magna Charta of libertarianism. No, giving someone a charter does not make someone a greedy monopolist or oligarch who drives other businesses out of business and commits fraud and abuse of customers, workers and the environment, and outsources work in order to hire cheap labor. You have to be a greedy, unregulated businessman to do that. And they do that without any help from the government. But to further enable these greedy businessmen, you have to have Republicans and libertarians in office to repeal regulations and taxes on them, accomplish "tort reform" so they can't be sued, and institute "free trade" to facilitate outsourcing. Read up on it; it's about time you did. It's pretty simple, once you get past the deliberate obfuscation practiced by libertarians and greedy anarchists like the Koch Brothers (who were actual Libertarian Party candidates; why do you think that was???).

You won't read up on it, though, because you are ideologically locked. And they say prophets and boomers are locked and righteous; Gen Xers need to look in the mirror at their own stubborn foolishness, and stop pointing fingers at boomers and start pointing the finger back at themselves.

An "anarchist" like you Copperfield says that all businesses are "regulated." Sure, a proprietor must file a Schedule C tax return, and if (s)he is very law-abiding, may even go get a local business license. A corporation must have articles of incorporation registered by the state. But that is not what anyone else but maybe libertarians and anarchists mean by "regulation." Such a license or incorporation does not give it a license to pollute a river, employ an illegal, pay below minimum wage, defy working conditions standards, emit a huge carbon footprint, defy consumer standards or fuel mileage standards, gamble in secret with other peoples' money, or any of those good things that you anarchists want business to be free to do if it wants. Those actual "regulations" depend on whether Republicans or Democrats are elected to office. If the former, business gets off scot free and can do all those good things like pollute rivers and pay workers a pittance, etc. AND IF REPUBLICANS ARE ELECTED, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THESE CREEPS DO! If Democrats are elected, then these creeps must follow the regulations and treat their fellow beings with respect. It's that simple!