Presidential election, 2016

[Eric the Green]

(01-09-2017, 07:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 06:15 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 05:54 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 08:28 AM)Odin Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 01:27 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: Your mistake is in assuming it's all about culture for everyone, just because it happens to be so for you.  In fact, most of the conservatives here are libertarian leaning, and base our reasoning not on culture but on facts and proven economic theory.  Assuming that it's a clash of cultures may be why you go wrong so much.

I find it hilarious when Libertarians think they and only they have "facts" and "proven economic theory" and think all the rest of us are just going by our feels, it reeks of projection, and Libertarians tend to be exactly the kind of technically-oriented types that have little self-awareness of their own feelings and THINK they are super-logical and rational.

I'm not a Libertarian voter/Libertarian as you say.

Classic Xer, Warren Dew, Galen; completely-typical neo-liberals/classic liberals/free marketeers/libertarian economics believers.... geez how many other names are there for what we all know what it is.........

About as many names that there are for you....blue/Green/socialist/progressive/Marxist/communist economic believers...I'll need to check out Neo Liberalism and its origin to see if there's a connection with the late great FDR.

Yes, you should. You should know more about more of the originators of your own belief system.

And that's the difference between your side and mine. We use accurate names for your side, as I did here. You do not; and that does not matter to you. Because obfuscation, deception, confusion, etc., serves your authoritarian needs and your politics of fear and hate.

The first four names for my side are fine, of course, although those names represent quite a variety of ideas, whereas neo/classical-liberal et al ideas are easily boiled down to a few pernicious beliefs. "Socialist" is not a good fit for me either, actually. A "democratic socialist" like Bernie Sanders I am likely to agree with most of the time, but socialism's main definition is government ownership of the economy, and I do believe in private enterprise; just not private enterprise uber alles as libertarian economics believers do. A mixed economy is the progressive ideal.

I note that I said "100 names for what we all know what it is" and you said "as many names that there are for YOU" (me, Eric the Green). But it's not about me; it's about a kind of belief system that you happen to uphold, Classic Xer.

If someone labels you, sometimes it's best just to accept the label. It should be understood that labels are always approximate. Anyone who doesn't understand that, is the one with the problem.

I don't even agree with Greens all the time these days. I didn't vote Green this time anyway. But, I'm still proud to be Green.