Presidential election, 2016

[Eric the Green]

(01-10-2017, 05:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 11:41 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 07:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 06:15 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 05:54 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm not a Libertarian voter/Libertarian as you say.

Classic Xer, Warren Dew, Galen; completely-typical neo-liberals/classic liberals/free marketeers/libertarian economics believers.... geez how many other names are there for what we all know what it is.........

About as many names that there are for you....blue/Green/socialist/progressive/Marxist/communist economic believers...I'll need to check out Neo Liberalism and its origin to see if there's a connection with the late great FDR.

Yes, you should. You should know more about more of the originators of your own belief system.

And that's the difference between your side and mine. We use accurate names for your side, as I did here. You do not; and that does not matter to you. Because obfuscation, deception, confusion, etc., serves your authoritarian needs and your politics of fear and hate.

The first four names for my side are fine, of course, although those names represent quite a variety of ideas, whereas neo/classical-liberal et al ideas are easily boiled down to a few pernicious beliefs. "Socialist" is not a good fit for me either, actually. A "democratic socialist" like Bernie Sanders I am likely to agree with most of the time, but socialism's main definition is government ownership of the economy, and I do believe in private enterprise; just not private enterprise uber alles as libertarian economics believers do. A mixed economy is the progressive ideal.

I note that I said "100 names for what we all know what it is" and you said "as many names that there are for YOU" (me, Eric the Green). But it's not about me; it's about a kind of belief system that you happen to uphold, Classic Xer.

If someone labels you, sometimes it's best just to accept the label. It should be understood that labels are always approximate. Anyone who doesn't understand that, is the one with the problem.

I don't even agree with Greens all the time these days. I didn't vote Green this time anyway. But, I'm still proud to be Green.

I've noticed that it's not ever about you and not supposed to be about you, it's about me and it's supposed to be about me or about a belief system (ideology) that I hold/represent or the party that I'm affiliated with/ favor instead. What about your beliefs, the type of system you obviously favor (a government controlled economy/ a government controlled healthcare system/a government controlled education system and so on ) and the knowledge/understanding of your beliefs, ideas directly relating to you personally and the systems you favor that I've obtained directly from you during our many exchanges?

It's about "a belief system (ideology) that (you) hold/represent or the party that (you're) affiliated with/ favor instead." You reply and make it about me or about "a belief system (ideology) that I hold/represent or the party that I'm affiliated with/ favor instead." But that's debate, I guess.

I favor a mixed economy, which you call a "government-controlled" economy because you and your ideology responds to the slogan "less government," like too many Americans respond to as well. But yes I favor a government-controlled single payer health system (or something like Medicare for all, which is not fully government-controlled), and public education.

You have shown that you have no clue about me "personally," so your thoughts about me are not relevant, no.