Presidential election, 2016

[Eric the Green]

(01-13-2017, 06:06 AM)gabrielle Wrote:

(01-10-2017, 04:47 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Some Xers have a very limited view of music, because they are too confined to their own time, which lacks inspiration.  Do not wish to argue that point.

Because on a deeper level, you know that's not really true?  Geez, you should realize that by now after everything I and others have shown you on the music threads.  I know you liked some of it.

It's very true. Nothing can match the Awakening in this saeculum, and in many other saeculums too. Awakenings are times of inspiraction, naturally. Unravellings are times of indulgence and culture war, and are very complacent times at their worst. At their best, further development of the Awakening takes place. I place that aspect mostly in the new age movement and electronic music. There's a wealth of good stuff in that realm. In mainstream and "alternative" realms, not so much.

You know by now that I still think a lot of 3T music in uninspired, including virtually entire genres, which I won't mention again this time. And you knew I wouldn't think so about that. Of course, there's exceptions that I like too, and I say so. And I have more to learn about the period. But from what I've heard, the level of inspiration is overall low compared to the Awakening, when there was so much spirituality and discovery in the air, and real positive approaches to life instead of the cynicism that dominated every aspect of society during the 3T, and to a large extent still today. And it went along with the political and economic outlook of the 3T too, and today; and the domination of mainstream media by a few corporations interested only in marketing, complemented by an alternative culture centered on cynical and destructive attitudes. Nowadays the internet has given more upbeat music from the younger people a chance to gain some traction. And I think that's the intrinsic nature of the difference between second and third turnings; nothing new in that respect. But when it comes to intentional ugliness, this 3T outdid all the others in some of what was offered.

Quote:It is certainly true that if someone limits their appreciation of music to the pop/rock songs of their youth they are missing out on a great deal that would educate and enhance their sensibilities and improve their experience of life.  This would be true of Boomers and their 2T youth as much as any one else.  

Yes indeed. It perfectly obvious that the value of music and other aspects of culture has nothing to do with anyone's age. It is intrinsic to the cultural expression itself. It also reflects the times in which its created.

Quote:I know that some Gen Xers on here have negative views of the Awakening.  A rather Puritanical condemnation of what they perceive as excesses of the era.  People like to blame their elders when they're unhappy with their world.  Ironic that certain people who tout individualism and self sufficiency and pulling up the bootstraps seem to do the most whining about this.

Now, what was this thread all about, now that we were predictably distracted by my views on culture that I don't want to argue about?

Ah, I was responding to Mr. X 84 who suggested that his experience of the Awakening was affected or limited by his age at the time. I am just pointing out that no-one is limited by that. We all have access to the Awakening, and to all the other Awakenings in history too. It's no accident they are called that. It means we are more inspired, and in many ways more creative, at those times, and wisdom flows down into our minds and hearts from higher realms; visions that should guide us through the other turnings. That can only happen if we are willing to experience what is made available to us from these times.

In a real sense, culture IS what is discovered during Awakenings. Those times are when our spirituality and religion as well as our arts are brought into being. Where there is no vision, the people perish. America decided to go in the perish direction in our 3T by throwing out all that had been learned in the 2T, using the excuse that people indeed made mistakes then, as always happens in free-wheeling and creative times; and retreating instead into narrow individualism and cynicism, culturally, politically, economically. Obama tried in his way to help us relearn some of the vision. We failed the class again on Nov.8, 2016, and in the previous 3 elections as well. And we have certainly failed on the cultural level, as we remain hooked on materialism, and place all our faith in either science or traditional religion--- which are exactly what the Awakening awakened us FROM.