09-14-2020, 05:51 PM
(09-13-2020, 01:19 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: I am not a left winger. I am not a right winger. I comment on actions and events, not on posturing and politician bullshit.
Not really. Your lying and slandering is primarily targeted against the blue. You are clearly a red ideologue, even if you step a little clear of Trump.
(09-13-2020, 01:19 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: So any sort of thuggery in the United States is totally repulsive and sickening to me, because to me it's no different from what's going on in Syria, Belarus, Iran, and other countries, differing only in degree but not in kind.
Agreed somewhat that thuggery in the US is repulsive and sickening. If there is a route to fix the greatest problems in a culture without resorting to violence, one might well do so. This is not the right time. Still, those that wish not to listen to the people, those who wish past injustice to continue, have to know that the people are serious. Even Martin Luther King listened occasionally to Malcom X and got mad. Non violence becomes a little more effective if a few rash folk go to violence early. It is also a way of gathering the attention of those wishing to be unjust, to continue the abuse.
But there is a difference with the level of what you called Democide between the US and the foreign practitioners. The US government doesn’t drop barrels full of explosive on markets crowded with civilians. The US mostly stop short of the extrajudicial murders, the use of violence on the law abiding citizens. Oh, Trump ordered the US Marshalls to ‘get him’ and they proceeded to kill a man who was no threat. That might be interpreted as an extrajudicial murder. To get his Bible photo op, Trump cancelled the First Amendment rights of the protesters. It’s rather close to Democide. It is rather too close.
But in the cases of the military and the secret police, democracy rolled the Democide back. The bad cops and mobile militia near Portland have not yet been pulled back. Is that enough to make a qualitative difference? Is it different in nature? Possibly not. Red democide remains a problem.
(09-13-2020, 01:19 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: So yes, right-wing thugs should go to jail just like left-wing thugs. There's no difference.
Agreed. Unfortunately, many conservatives disagree.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
