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Debate about Gun Control
#81
(06-17-2016, 01:12 PM)Mikebert Wrote: It seems to me that the Supreme Court made abundantly clear that they have NOT yet ruled on whether a ban on more powerful weapons is a violation of the Second Amendment.

ABUNDANTLY clear, except perhaps to some folks, including some on this forum.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
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#82
pbrower2a Wrote:That said, the most beautiful animal in the world

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is quite possibly the most dangerous animal on land except for an armed human.

Dunno, but a dog pack might give it good run for its money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pack_(canine)

Bonus. Dogs are pretty good intruder alerts as well.
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#83
(06-17-2016, 03:07 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-17-2016, 08:52 AM)playwrite Wrote:
(06-16-2016, 11:17 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-16-2016, 10:00 PM)playwrite Wrote:
(06-16-2016, 01:00 PM)taramarie Wrote: Learn to spell Australia correctly. Australia has more common sense than America can ever dream of that is why it works over there and here. In America it won't. Why? Because the culture is different. Americans obsess over their guns. Even I know that. Because of that desire to own a variety of different guns it will not work. Ideally I would like for autos and semi autos to be banned. Ones that allow for one to mow down a crowd easily. High rate of fire guns. But when i hear of people saying they will have to take my gun out of my cold dead hands i realize it just will not work. People love their guns in America on a whole different level than the rest of the western world. Kiwis, Aussies and the British do not have the same passion on the whole for them and that is why it works here. Culture makes it work. You take away guns in America and i know from what i hear from republicans they will declare it an act of war. Do i like it....nope but that is reality.

Re:  Australia - don't be a jerk -

Study shows people who correct typos may be jerks     Tongue   



There's a lot of people who don't like their Meth labs taken away either, and they live pretty shitty lives trying to keep them.

But the vast number of people, including gun owners, are going to follow the law - they don't want their lives and their families destroyed, and they're certainly not going to wage gun battles over it against the government (do you guys watch a lot movies or something?).  The ones that don't will be treated like the criminals that they are.

There's ways to doing this.  You can ban manufacturing, transport, and sales with hefty prison terms - some will get made, transferred and sold but instead of $1200 people will be paying $12,000 black market prices and looking over their shoulder for not only its confiscation but being thrown in prison.  You can ban the ammo that is most prevalent for ARs - effectively, turn the gun into an expensive large door stopper.  You can revoke the business license for any gun range as well as gun store where these guns are found on the premise even if the store owner claims he had no idea - watch the self-policing that comes from that little trick.  You can have buy-back program, including credits for new, legal gun purchases.

Sure it will take time to get nearly all the ARs out of circulation, but some of these measure would result in removing much more than half within a year at most.

I'm not worried at all about executing laws aimed at ARs; I'm just concerned with getting them banned.
I don't need to watch movies. I do not get this from movies. I know people would declare war over having guns taken away from what people say. They would rather die to keep their guns than have their freedom to own them taken away. This is something people would fight over. Heck i do not even live in your country and i know this. How do you not know this? You converse with republicans i assume? You know what Americans care about correct? There is always talk over the 2nd amendment being violated as well as the first amendment. Listen to those who care about those rights and you will see what will happen. We agree on the fact it will go underground. Which is why the culture has to change in order for those types of guns to be seen as unnecessary. I think they already are anyway. It is overkill. I do not see it happening anytime soon.

War???

I've been in situations of kill or be killed, and believe me, when it comes down to it, the vast majority of people are not going to actually put themselves in that situation,  There is a reason why enlistees go first to places like Parris Island (look it up).  Hard to believe, I'm sure, but it's actually not like one of those video games you must obviously play - no matter how good the graphics and sound system.

The minority of the ones that would, are some combination of morons, psychopaths or traitors; this would be an excellent way to "Purge" them from the system (I'm sure that's one of the movies you've watched on TV one too many times  Rolleyes)

As usual you not listening. Taking lessons from Eric are we? p.s. I have not played video games in a very long time and i do not watch tv. Fossils do that. Some people i know are willing to die to protect their guns. Must be nice to be ignorant of that in your own country. I believe them because they are completely crazy over their guns and their right to own those guns. I know that the victors would also be republicans and anyone who wants to keep their guns.  I do not know of the movie purge....oh wait a min. Yes I do. I watched maybe a few mins of it and turned it off.  Boring and forgettable. Still laughing over the idea of watching traditional tv. Come join us in the 21st century sometime. Oh you don't like being laughed at and insulted? You throw your ball at me i throw it right back and i am way worse than you. Ask Eric aka his "scorpio" theory.

Way worse than me, ey?  And on an Internet forum, no less.  Pretty scary.  Rolleyes

You do realize that we agree that SOME of our ammosexuals will be stupid enough to take on some aspect of our various governments, probably a small county sheriff's office or a small police force.  You seem to see this as a big deal; I don't.

Now try to control yourself, no need to frighten anyone.
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#84
(06-18-2016, 09:37 PM)playwrite Wrote:
(06-17-2016, 03:07 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-17-2016, 08:52 AM)playwrite Wrote:
(06-16-2016, 11:17 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-16-2016, 10:00 PM)playwrite Wrote: Re:  Australia - don't be a jerk -

Study shows people who correct typos may be jerks     Tongue   



There's a lot of people who don't like their Meth labs taken away either, and they live pretty shitty lives trying to keep them.

But the vast number of people, including gun owners, are going to follow the law - they don't want their lives and their families destroyed, and they're certainly not going to wage gun battles over it against the government (do you guys watch a lot movies or something?).  The ones that don't will be treated like the criminals that they are.

There's ways to doing this.  You can ban manufacturing, transport, and sales with hefty prison terms - some will get made, transferred and sold but instead of $1200 people will be paying $12,000 black market prices and looking over their shoulder for not only its confiscation but being thrown in prison.  You can ban the ammo that is most prevalent for ARs - effectively, turn the gun into an expensive large door stopper.  You can revoke the business license for any gun range as well as gun store where these guns are found on the premise even if the store owner claims he had no idea - watch the self-policing that comes from that little trick.  You can have buy-back program, including credits for new, legal gun purchases.

Sure it will take time to get nearly all the ARs out of circulation, but some of these measure would result in removing much more than half within a year at most.

I'm not worried at all about executing laws aimed at ARs; I'm just concerned with getting them banned.
I don't need to watch movies. I do not get this from movies. I know people would declare war over having guns taken away from what people say. They would rather die to keep their guns than have their freedom to own them taken away. This is something people would fight over. Heck i do not even live in your country and i know this. How do you not know this? You converse with republicans i assume? You know what Americans care about correct? There is always talk over the 2nd amendment being violated as well as the first amendment. Listen to those who care about those rights and you will see what will happen. We agree on the fact it will go underground. Which is why the culture has to change in order for those types of guns to be seen as unnecessary. I think they already are anyway. It is overkill. I do not see it happening anytime soon.

War???

I've been in situations of kill or be killed, and believe me, when it comes down to it, the vast majority of people are not going to actually put themselves in that situation,  There is a reason why enlistees go first to places like Parris Island (look it up).  Hard to believe, I'm sure, but it's actually not like one of those video games you must obviously play - no matter how good the graphics and sound system.

The minority of the ones that would, are some combination of morons, psychopaths or traitors; this would be an excellent way to "Purge" them from the system (I'm sure that's one of the movies you've watched on TV one too many times  Rolleyes)

As usual you not listening. Taking lessons from Eric are we? p.s. I have not played video games in a very long time and i do not watch tv. Fossils do that. Some people i know are willing to die to protect their guns. Must be nice to be ignorant of that in your own country. I believe them because they are completely crazy over their guns and their right to own those guns. I know that the victors would also be republicans and anyone who wants to keep their guns.  I do not know of the movie purge....oh wait a min. Yes I do. I watched maybe a few mins of it and turned it off.  Boring and forgettable. Still laughing over the idea of watching traditional tv. Come join us in the 21st century sometime. Oh you don't like being laughed at and insulted? You throw your ball at me i throw it right back and i am way worse than you. Ask Eric aka his "scorpio" theory.

Way worse than me, ey?  And on an Internet forum, no less.  Pretty scary.  Rolleyes

You do realize that we agree that SOME of our ammosexuals will be stupid enough to take on some aspect of our various governments, probably a small county sheriff's office or a small police force.  You seem to see this as a big deal; I don't.

Now try to control yourself, no need to frighten anyone.

I can be pretty scary on internet and face to face. I am the exact same either way. I do not hold back punches. I am direct and to the point. So stick to the subject and act your age insect. You have a thing about mixing sex and guns....kind of a weird combo. I will control myself when you act your age. You get personal, so will I. Ask Eric. He knows my sting as he called it. Stick to the subject there will be no drams. Well, take away their guns and see how quickly it escalates. I will have popcorn ready. 2nd amendment is a pretty damn big deal to these people as well as freedom which are two things many like to harp about. We will start counting how many retaliate when it happens. I  think it will be significant. Keep eyes peeled IF guns are ever taken away and i doubt it will ever happen given the power of the NRA and paranoia....especially in the 4T. Culture....hard thing to change.
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#85
That's nothing: I have tangled with trolls and taken the time to develop the rhetorical weapons with which to hurt them badly. Racists, homophobes, and antisemites trying to take me on, beware -- the encounter will not be pleasant. I know how to hurt people on the Web, and I don't need any libel or computer viruses.
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#86
(06-18-2016, 10:54 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: That's nothing: I have tangled with trolls and taken the time to develop the rhetorical weapons with which to hurt them badly. Racists, homophobes, and antisemites trying to take me on, beware -- the encounter will not be pleasant. I know how to hurt people on the Web, and I don't need any libel or computer viruses.

My attack is not on you and as far as i know never has been If i am attacked which playwrite decided to take that route with me claws will come out. I do not take shit from anyone. Yes, it is nothing atm. He keeps pushing and he will get what is coming. But surely he wants to just discuss the topic of guns and not be that schoolboy troll who has maybe two brain cells to knock together. One to breathe and eat and the other to lower people down to his level because he has issues that he cannot solve by any other means. I have dealt with that sort time and time again and brushed off those insects after i stood up to them. You can't let people like that get away with it. The disgusting thing is he is still at it at his age. He is probably around my mothers age. Grow the f up already.
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#87
(06-18-2016, 11:05 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-18-2016, 10:54 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: That's nothing: I have tangled with trolls and taken the time to develop the rhetorical weapons with which to hurt them badly. Racists, homophobes, and antisemites trying to take me on, beware -- the encounter will not be pleasant. I know how to hurt people on the Web, and I don't need any libel or computer viruses.

My attack is not on you and as far as i know never has been




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#88
There's a big difference between making guns illegal to buy, and police threatening to invade your home and take your guns away. If the gun nuts start a war because assault weapons are banned, they will find the public and the force of the law against them, and they will be jailed or killed. Gun nuts are definitely ammosexuals and their gun fetish is a substitute for you know what. Maybe they have small hands too; I don't know. I don't know any activists today who even want to repeal the 2nd amendment; let alone ban civilian guns. It's not politically possible now anyway. It's just a scare tactic by the gun nuts and the beastly-evil NRA.
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#89
(06-19-2016, 01:49 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: There's a big difference between making guns illegal to buy, and police threatening to invade your home and take your guns away. If the gun nuts start a war because assault weapons are banned, they will find the public and the force of the law against them, and they will be jailed or killed. Gun nuts are definitely ammosexuals and their gun fetish is a substitute for you know what. Maybe they have small hands too; I don't know. I don't know any activists today who even want to repeal the 2nd amendment; let alone ban civilian guns. It's not politically possible now anyway. It's just a scare tactic by the gun nuts and the beastly-evil NRA.

I am aware they cannot ban it i am addressing what would happen if they ban the types of guns i have been talking about. I started off saying they should ban them and take them away. It is a pipe dream because America does have this history and culture that worships guns as it represents their freedom. Hmm mixing sex and guns again. Interesting people. Should not have sex with a gun. Go to peaches and cream for that. (Look it up). Genitalia size...well i won't go there. It is to do with power, self esteem and maybe some think of it as a hobby. Some may consider it a skill. Like archery. All different but personally we do have no business having that much fire power. Why prepare as if going into war? But, it is a dream that will never happen. If you make them illegal to buy they will still have their old weapons. Will just making them illegal to buy solve the problems caused by misuse (and especially mass murder) that the guns sometimes are used for?
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#90
They will still need ammo, and that is used up faster. There are always arguments; but on balance, bans can work. We already had an assault weapon ban; it worked. But it had a time limit, and so when Republicans took over it was not renewed. It should not have a time limit. Mass murder should not be allowed just because the political winds shift in the evil direction, as they periodically do in the USA these days.
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Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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#91
(06-19-2016, 03:34 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: They will still need ammo, and that is used up faster. There are always arguments; but on balance, bans can work. We already had an assault weapon ban; it worked. But it had a time limit, and so when Republicans took over it was not renewed. It should not have a time limit. Mass murder should not be allowed just because the political winds shift in the evil direction, as they periodically do in the USA these days.

Personally, i think of arguments to the contrary just to be realistic on how it can work. To sort out issues that can prevent it from becoming a reality. Of course mass murder should not be allowed but can you stop it? Would the people of America allow a ban on that type of gun? People can say you can shoot people with a regular gun but the worst ones have a rapid rate of fire. They do the most damage. Would it go underground? Could there be a war on guns like the war on drugs? That war on drugs did not really work out well. People still got hold of drugs. Point is it has worked in other countries like mine but the culture is different and different laws which i mentioned of (a few of them) here in nz. Could the same work in America and more importantly would the people allow it? Some would but i know some would lose their freaking minds. Yes we should not allow it because of what results of having access to these sorts of guns. Some totally abuse them and sounds like they are far too easy for anyone to get. But if laws are to be placed where it is impossible for people to gain access to these guns, make sure it is done in a way where it is impossible for this to continue. Perhaps the inability to carry around a weapon like NZ? That would go down well with many I am sure!
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#92
(06-18-2016, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-18-2016, 09:37 PM)playwrite Wrote:
(06-17-2016, 03:07 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-17-2016, 08:52 AM)playwrite Wrote:
(06-16-2016, 11:17 PM)taramarie Wrote: I don't need to watch movies. I do not get this from movies. I know people would declare war over having guns taken away from what people say. They would rather die to keep their guns than have their freedom to own them taken away. This is something people would fight over. Heck i do not even live in your country and i know this. How do you not know this? You converse with republicans i assume? You know what Americans care about correct? There is always talk over the 2nd amendment being violated as well as the first amendment. Listen to those who care about those rights and you will see what will happen. We agree on the fact it will go underground. Which is why the culture has to change in order for those types of guns to be seen as unnecessary. I think they already are anyway. It is overkill. I do not see it happening anytime soon.

War???

I've been in situations of kill or be killed, and believe me, when it comes down to it, the vast majority of people are not going to actually put themselves in that situation,  There is a reason why enlistees go first to places like Parris Island (look it up).  Hard to believe, I'm sure, but it's actually not like one of those video games you must obviously play - no matter how good the graphics and sound system.

The minority of the ones that would, are some combination of morons, psychopaths or traitors; this would be an excellent way to "Purge" them from the system (I'm sure that's one of the movies you've watched on TV one too many times  Rolleyes)

As usual you not listening. Taking lessons from Eric are we? p.s. I have not played video games in a very long time and i do not watch tv. Fossils do that. Some people i know are willing to die to protect their guns. Must be nice to be ignorant of that in your own country. I believe them because they are completely crazy over their guns and their right to own those guns. I know that the victors would also be republicans and anyone who wants to keep their guns.  I do not know of the movie purge....oh wait a min. Yes I do. I watched maybe a few mins of it and turned it off.  Boring and forgettable. Still laughing over the idea of watching traditional tv. Come join us in the 21st century sometime. Oh you don't like being laughed at and insulted? You throw your ball at me i throw it right back and i am way worse than you. Ask Eric aka his "scorpio" theory.

Way worse than me, ey?  And on an Internet forum, no less.  Pretty scary.  Rolleyes

You do realize that we agree that SOME of our ammosexuals will be stupid enough to take on some aspect of our various governments, probably a small county sheriff's office or a small police force.  You seem to see this as a big deal; I don't.

Now try to control yourself, no need to frighten anyone.

I can be pretty scary on internet and face to face. I am the exact same either way. I do not hold back punches. I am direct and to the point. So stick to the subject and act your age insect. You have a thing about mixing sex and guns....kind of a weird combo. I will control myself when you act your age. You get personal, so will I. Ask Eric. He knows my sting as he called it. Stick to the subject there will be no drams. Well, take away their guns and see how quickly it escalates. I will have popcorn ready. 2nd amendment is a pretty damn big deal to these people as well as freedom which are two things many like to harp about. We will start counting how many retaliate when it happens. I  think it will be significant. Keep eyes peeled IF guns are ever taken away and i doubt it will ever happen given the power of the NRA and paranoia....especially in the 4T. Culture....hard thing to change.

Yea, yea, yea,  guns will be taken away and the US will go up in flames because, well, you're a Kiwi, living on the other side of the world and you have absolute certainty of not only another country but the future.  Like I said, maybe cut back a tad on the TeeVee? 

And wow, calling me an "insect" on the Internet, you are one macho Kiwi.  Rolleyes

And this thing you got about Eric that you keep referring to.  Maybe you should ask if he wants to share a room?  You could  get dressed up in your Dominatrix sheepherder outfit you been dying to try out? 

Eric, you're probable not into the whips and chains, but for international relations, maybe give it a try?  Taramarie seems a tad frustrated and in need of a little release.  Besides -


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#93
(06-16-2016, 01:22 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: There were armed guards at the Orlando nightclub, and FL is the most permissive open carry state in the USA. So, what does Trump and the other gun nuts have to complain about?

The gun advocates claim that gun control is prohibition. Even the Scalia Supreme Court disagreed with them.

The National Guard is never sent abroad. It is used to quell domestic disturbances and meet emergencies here at home. Where does Bob get this stuff?

Insane, and apt to continue. A great description of America with no gun control and its mass shootings and under the thumb of the evil NRA.

Really?  There WERE armed guards at Orlando?  Really?  

If so, WTF were they doing for all those hours?  I mean, it kind of makes sense if real security is desired ... simply spot a well-placed sniper's nest above the gathering place where he/she is not easily seen and thereby planned around.  

Lunatic enters, starts shooting and pow.  Problem solved.  And you don't have a bunch of questionably trained civilians running around with pistols in their pockets as in the typical NRA CCW scenario.
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#94
(06-18-2016, 05:24 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(06-17-2016, 01:12 PM)Mikebert Wrote: It seems to me that the Supreme Court made abundantly clear that they have NOT yet ruled on whether a ban on more powerful weapons is a violation of the Second Amendment.

ABUNDANTLY clear, except perhaps to some folks, including some on this forum.

Well, the Supreme Court just denied cert on a challenge to Connecticut's assault weapons ban.  Practically close enough to ruling that it's OK under the Second Amendment.  I'm guessing you'll probably take this to the CT thread!
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#95
(06-20-2016, 03:24 PM)TnT Wrote:
(06-16-2016, 01:22 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: There were armed guards at the Orlando nightclub, and FL is the most permissive open carry state in the USA. So, what does Trump and the other gun nuts have to complain about?

The gun advocates claim that gun control is prohibition. Even the Scalia Supreme Court disagreed with them.

The National Guard is never sent abroad. It is used to quell domestic disturbances and meet emergencies here at home. Where does Bob get this stuff?

Insane, and apt to continue. A great description of America with no gun control and its mass shootings and under the thumb of the evil NRA.

Really?  There WERE armed guards at Orlando?  Really?  

If so, WTF were they doing for all those hours?  I mean, it kind of makes sense if real security is desired ... simply spot a well-placed sniper's nest above the gathering place where he/she is not easily seen and thereby planned around.  

Lunatic enters, starts shooting and pow.  Problem solved.  And you don't have a bunch of questionably trained civilians running around with pistols in their pockets as in the typical NRA CCW scenario.

I'm wondering about how this went down as well.

I believe what happen was the shooter came in blazing.  Probable killed a dozen or more in the first 5 minutes.  The off-duty officer, dong the security, responded, but every minute until he did probable had from 1-5 people killed/wounded with every passing minute, and even once engage, there could have been lots more collateral damage - that's the power of an AR with 30 round clips and high velocity slugs going through dry wall and plaster like it wasn't there.   The officer returned fire but was obviously out-gunned (at best had a 10-round Glock and likely no second magazine) and retreated to get backup.  This is one of the big problems with the AR; it emboldens even relatively untrained shooters to feel they can take on the world, and at least in the first hour, they're probable correct in that regard.  Imagine the shooter with the same firepower as the off-duty cop and having to reload after his initial round of fire; untrained and never in such a situation - my bet the cop would have taken him out in the first 10 minutes.

During the time waiting for backup, the shooter's acquiring new targets probable became less efficient, people hiding away such as in the bathroom.  However, this gave him plenty of time to walk around unchallenged and kill those that had been wounded and couldn't get away.   With the arrival of the initial way of officers, an additional exchange took place, and the shooter withdrew to another bathroom and stopped shooting.  Things went quiet, with the shooter calling and telling the dispatcher among other things that he has a bomb and hostages.  It went to a hostage situation.

I believe at some point, it became clear to the police the carnage that had occurred and in no way was the shooter going to give up without taking as many more lives as possible. I think that' when the decision was made to breech the wall.

Given the situation, particularly the firepower brought by the shooter, there's no other way this could have gone down.
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#96
(06-20-2016, 04:11 PM)Bronco80 Wrote:
(06-18-2016, 05:24 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(06-17-2016, 01:12 PM)Mikebert Wrote: It seems to me that the Supreme Court made abundantly clear that they have NOT yet ruled on whether a ban on more powerful weapons is a violation of the Second Amendment.

ABUNDANTLY clear, except perhaps to some folks, including some on this forum.

Well, the Supreme Court just denied cert on a challenge to Connecticut's assault weapons ban.  Practically close enough to ruling that it's OK under the Second Amendment.  I'm guessing you'll probably take this to the CT thread!

I can hear a certain someone with a certain certitude - "but, but, but, that's denying citizens their 2nd Amendment  RIGHT!  Who the hell does this SCOTUS think it is interpreting the Constitution different than me?!!!!  Just wait, until the SCOTUS goes to nine, and then they take one of these cases and show I'm right, and the rest of you are just valued locked!"
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#97
(06-17-2016, 01:12 PM)Mikebert Wrote: It seems to me that the Supreme Court made abundantly clear that they have NOT yet ruled on whether a ban on more powerful weapons is a violation of the Second Amendment.

Not in a recent case.  They were clear that military weapons are protected in US v Miller back in the 1930s, but that case also contained elements of the Collective Rights interpretation.  That case is old enough and elements of it have been put in question by recent cases that it is worthy of review by a modern court.  I'd spurn the modern courts as political, as stretching the reading of the text and intent of the authors, but US v Miller was no less political.
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#98
(06-20-2016, 07:20 AM)playwrite Wrote:
(06-18-2016, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-18-2016, 09:37 PM)playwrite Wrote:
(06-17-2016, 03:07 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-17-2016, 08:52 AM)playwrite Wrote: War???

I've been in situations of kill or be killed, and believe me, when it comes down to it, the vast majority of people are not going to actually put themselves in that situation,  There is a reason why enlistees go first to places like Parris Island (look it up).  Hard to believe, I'm sure, but it's actually not like one of those video games you must obviously play - no matter how good the graphics and sound system.

The minority of the ones that would, are some combination of morons, psychopaths or traitors; this would be an excellent way to "Purge" them from the system (I'm sure that's one of the movies you've watched on TV one too many times  Rolleyes)

As usual you not listening. Taking lessons from Eric are we? p.s. I have not played video games in a very long time and i do not watch tv. Fossils do that. Some people i know are willing to die to protect their guns. Must be nice to be ignorant of that in your own country. I believe them because they are completely crazy over their guns and their right to own those guns. I know that the victors would also be republicans and anyone who wants to keep their guns.  I do not know of the movie purge....oh wait a min. Yes I do. I watched maybe a few mins of it and turned it off.  Boring and forgettable. Still laughing over the idea of watching traditional tv. Come join us in the 21st century sometime. Oh you don't like being laughed at and insulted? You throw your ball at me i throw it right back and i am way worse than you. Ask Eric aka his "scorpio" theory.

Way worse than me, ey?  And on an Internet forum, no less.  Pretty scary.  Rolleyes

You do realize that we agree that SOME of our ammosexuals will be stupid enough to take on some aspect of our various governments, probably a small county sheriff's office or a small police force.  You seem to see this as a big deal; I don't.

Now try to control yourself, no need to frighten anyone.

I can be pretty scary on internet and face to face. I am the exact same either way. I do not hold back punches. I am direct and to the point. So stick to the subject and act your age insect. You have a thing about mixing sex and guns....kind of a weird combo. I will control myself when you act your age. You get personal, so will I. Ask Eric. He knows my sting as he called it. Stick to the subject there will be no drams. Well, take away their guns and see how quickly it escalates. I will have popcorn ready. 2nd amendment is a pretty damn big deal to these people as well as freedom which are two things many like to harp about. We will start counting how many retaliate when it happens. I  think it will be significant. Keep eyes peeled IF guns are ever taken away and i doubt it will ever happen given the power of the NRA and paranoia....especially in the 4T. Culture....hard thing to change.

Yea, yea, yea,  guns will be taken away and the US will go up in flames because, well, you're a Kiwi, living on the other side of the world and you have absolute certainty of not only another country but the future.  Like I said, maybe cut back a tad on the TeeVee? 

And wow, calling me an "insect" on the Internet, you are one macho Kiwi.  Rolleyes

And this thing you got about Eric that you keep referring to.  Maybe you should ask if he wants to share a room?  You could  get dressed up in your Dominatrix sheepherder outfit you been dying to try out? 

Eric, you're probable not into the whips and chains, but for international relations, maybe give it a try?  Taramarie seems a tad frustrated and in need of a little release.  Besides -


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Ok maybe insect is not the word. CHILD is more like it. I see when one is loosing the argument one has to change topic. You are a grown up. Older than me in fact. Maye act your age?
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Note, in the background  Aries Americanus -

AKA Americans watching any MSM outlet for "news".

Or....  Sus Americanus Big Grin

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Quote:In one study of more than 5,400 adults, the results show that 33% of US adults are overweight, and 38% of US adults are obese. Breaking the data down a bit further, the report writes that "the age-adjusted prevalence of obesity in 2013-2014 was 35% among men, and 40.4% among women." Additionally, more than 5% of men and nearly 10% of women came in morbidly obese.
For adults, people are considered overweight when their body mass index reaches 25, obese when it hits 30, and morbidly obese when it reaches 40.
As an example, someone who is 5-foot-5 and weighs 149 pounds has a body mass index of 24, which is considered a healthy weight according to NBC News. If a pound is added, and that same person has a BMI of 25, the person is considered overweight. At 180 pounds that individual would have a BMI of 30 and would be considered obese.
In a second study done on children and teens, the results showed that 17% are obese and 5.8% were extremely obese. Obesity in kids is measured a little bit differently, it's how heavy they are compared to other kids the same age and height - those weighing more than 95% of kids the same age are considered obese.
People who are obese have higher rates of heart disease, diabetes, some cancers, arthritis, and Alzheimer's disease, however despite a lot of effort and millions of dollars spent, there is not much evidence the epidemic is diminishing.
From NBC News
Quote:It's not clear why obesity continues to worsen, despite many studies trying to put a finger on it.
 
"Numerous foundations, industries, professional societies, and governmental agencies have provided hundreds of millions of dollars in funding to support basic science research in obesity, clinical trials and observational studies, development of new drugs and devices, and hospital and community programs to help stem the tide of the obesity epidemic," the journal's editors, Dr. Jody Zylke and Dr. Howard Bauchner, wrote in a commentary.
 
"The obesity epidemic in the United States is now 3 decades old, and huge investments have been made in research, clinical care, and development of various programs to counteract obesity. However, few data suggest the epidemic is diminishing," they added.
 
"Perhaps it is time for an entirely different approach, one that emphasizes collaboration with the food and restaurant industries that are in part responsible for putting food on dinner tables."
Not only is it not diminishing, the Trust for America's Health projects that 44% of Americans will be obese by 2030, while the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention projects 42% of adults will be.
From a financial perspective, a Gallup and Healthways study shows that 34% of obese adults were more likely to suffer financially than non-obese adults.
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It appears as though Americans could use some time away from smart phones and video games, and redirect their efforts to a gym. Obesity is also a prime example of the fact that throwing money at a problem does not necessarily make the problem go away.
Here are some other interesting facts from our [url=http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-13/americas-most-obese-states][/url] post.
Adult obesity by state

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Dear MIC, you have a big and I mean big problem here.  US folks are like too fat to fight. Big Grin

The MSM sez,  chow down!
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It's quite true that people in blue states are healthier than people in red states. That's because they are generally smarter about things anyway; their voting record proves it. IOW, the gun toters are fat. If the MIC is controlled by the liberal states, they win the civil war. Classic Xer loses.
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Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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