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(07-24-2016, 12:02 PM)Odin Wrote: (07-24-2016, 09:03 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: I've been spending my free time actively campaigning for Donald Trump instead of posting here.
Then when the Trumpist version of the Night of The Long Knives happens, you, Milo, and all the other gay fascists are going to get purged just like Röhm was. 
You SJW scum keep using that word. I'm not sure that you understand what it means. Fascism has distinct characteristics none of which Trump has stated he has or even has an admiration for. I will say this though if the country is in trouble it cannot be gotten out of trouble with the psuedosocialist and globalist thinking that put it there to start with and that includes the Establishment GOP and of course the Dems entirely.
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(07-26-2016, 12:22 AM)Galen Wrote: (07-24-2016, 12:02 PM)Odin Wrote: (07-24-2016, 09:03 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: I've been spending my free time actively campaigning for Donald Trump instead of posting here.
Then when the Trumpist version of the Night of The Long Knives happens, you, Milo, and all the other gay fascists are going to get purged just like Röhm was.
Probably not, there is nothing in Trump's history to suggest anything of the sort. There was plenty of evidence in the case of Adolf, Mein Kampf and the Beer Hall Putsch come to mind. Having listened to Milo and compared his speeches to several well known fascists it is pretty clear that he is not a fascist.
Galen,
I do not think it a wise use of time trying to educate Odin on the finer points of fascism, which I've studied as long as I studied Marxism-Leninism (know thy enemy and all that). I would say that Milo in particular is a libertarian. Trump is what I would call an capitalist national liberal. He has a form of what could be called liberalism in the Jeffersonian-Jacksonian sense and his rhetoric is nationalistic. Generally in the US we've called this Americanism.
That being said it is telling that the left these days does not debate idea, rather they shout names at others they disagree with. This makes rational debate with them impossible.
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(07-26-2016, 03:00 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: I do not think it a wise use of time trying to educate Odin on the finer points of fascism, which I've studied as long as I studied Marxism-Leninism (know thy enemy and all that). I would say that Milo in particular is a libertarian. Trump is what I would call an capitalist national liberal. He has a form of what could be called liberalism in the Jeffersonian-Jacksonian sense and his rhetoric is nationalistic. Generally in the US we've called this Americanism.
That being said it is telling that the left these days does not debate idea, rather they shout names at others they disagree with. This makes rational debate with them impossible.
As far as Odin goes you are correct but it never hurts to educate others who are listening. I agree the Milo is a libertarian in general outlook even if he is not a Libertarian. Odin will never figure that sentence out. If Trump turns out to be Jacksonian or Jeffersonian in his outlook then he would be a massive improvement over every President for the last century. To the average person Trump is simply a big middle finger to the political establishment of both the left and the right which is one reason I think his odds of winning are actually pretty good.
The left believes that they have every thing in the bag and can impose their will any time they like. This is when movements end in history and a fourth turning is about the right time for something like that to happen. History is never linear at a fourth turning and America has been living with the assumptions of progressive ideology for a century now. It is clear that the technological and societal reasons for their rather mechanistic outlook are starting to pass it seems reasonable to expect that particular ideology will die with them. While the left will never admit it it appears that at a subconscious level they know their time is ending and accounts for a great deal of their hostility.
The pattern is obvious if you know what to look for.
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(07-26-2016, 03:08 AM)taramarie Wrote: I have noticed that when i was merely listening to both sides to understand what is going on over there and understand both points of view, but curiosity killed this cat when someone on the left said i was a racist or a racist enabler if i merely want to hear the right wing pov and hell i was not even taking sides! I am not even allowed to listen and apparently have to be entirely on one side. Its a bloody war zone over there!
Yes, it is. That always happens when the megapolitical foundations of a society begin to change. The old certainties are no longer extant and the new conditions aren't understood. See Davidson and Rees-Mogg for a more detailed explanation.
It is instructive to note that from a dispassionate viewpoint both the Democratic and Republican parties are in extreme disarray right now. This suggests that the party system is about to change. Perhaps the rise of Milo and Trump suggest a possible direction.
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I'm kinda lost here............... What is it that Millies are "fighting back" on? Surely we don't mean across the board. Are there specific arenas where these Millies that are fighting back, are labeled immature? If you are talking about fighting back in family issues, with parents and older family members that is one thing. If you are talking about the workplace, or politics, that is another thing all together.
All generations fight back and often use different styles, so what is it that makes it so Millies are labeled immature. I wonder.
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(07-26-2016, 03:31 AM)Galen Wrote: ... If Trump turns out to be Jacksonian or Jeffersonian in his outlook then he would be a massive improvement over every President for the last century. To the average person Trump is simply a big middle finger to the political establishment of both the left and the right which is one reason I think his odds of winning are actually pretty good.
The left believes that they have every thing in the bag and can impose their will any time they like. This is when movements end in history and a fourth turning is about the right time for something like that to happen. History is never linear at a fourth turning and America has been living with the assumptions of progressive ideology for a century now. It is clear that the technological and societal reasons for their rather mechanistic outlook are starting to pass it seems reasonable to expect that particular ideology will die with them. While the left will never admit it it appears that at a subconscious level they know their time is ending and accounts for a great deal of their hostility.
The pattern is obvious if you know what to look for.
The problem with Trump is the problem with political discourse these days. We've pushed everything forward to the point that no one even considers the possibity that reflection on an issue may be good idea. It's all venal now. So you have Trump, with his sales background and sociopathic demeanor, essentially serving up raw meat to the masses with no regard to the result ... except for him personally, 0f course. Uou have a demagogue and one that's probably a sociopath, and he's popular.
It goes without saying that the Fascists used similar techniques and got similar results. That he is not a Fascist is totally beside the point. He is a narcissist, and he has a huge power jones. That's enough to make hime incredibily dangerous. More to the point, counter tactics need to be counter intuitive. Using facts to dismantle his arguments, if you can actually call them arguments, reinforces them. You have to crank up the emotional appeal ... just like he's been doing since the beginning.
Frankly, I don't see Hillary pulling that together, and proxies may not be enough to cover for her. So yes, Trump has a real shot.
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(07-28-2016, 09:23 AM)David Horn Wrote: It goes without saying that the Fascists used similar techniques and got similar results. That he is not a Fascist is totally beside the point. He is a narcissist, and he has a huge power jones. That's enough to make hime incredibily dangerous. More to the point, counter tactics need to be counter intuitive. Using facts to dismantle his arguments, if you can actually call them arguments, reinforces them. You have to crank up the emotional appeal ... just like he's been doing since the beginning.
There isn't really anything in his history to suggest that he is in fact a fascist. He has been asked if he would run for president and his answer amounted to: Not unless things get bad enough. Where do you get the idea that Clinton is any better given her history?
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