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Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure
(05-05-2018, 09:10 PM)dcgal Wrote: Americans either don't know or want to know that the US is collapsing or think that nothing can be done to save the USA. Any plans or ideas to slow or escape the decay are quickly shot down as unworkable.

Instead of demanding that minimum wages be repealed or checkpoints be ended, Americans would rather beg for their chains by asking for more laws.

Insanity.

Most of today's problems have arisen since wages have been stagnant ... as you can easily see.

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(05-07-2018, 12:59 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(05-05-2018, 09:10 PM)dcgal Wrote: Americans either don't know or want to know that the US is collapsing or think that nothing can be done to save the USA. Any plans or ideas to slow or escape the decay are quickly shot down as unworkable.

Instead of demanding that minimum wages be repealed or checkpoints be ended, Americans would rather beg for their chains by asking for more laws.

Insanity.

Most of today's problems have arisen since wages have been stagnant ... as you can easily see.

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This establishes that if increases in real wages should be necessary for getting America out of an economic bind (such as an inchoate depression), then a solution that involves wage increases can work.

Consequences of stagnant wages include a high level of employee turnover, an in ordinate number of personal bankruptcies, the death of many retail businesses, and a low birth rate.

I am guessing that much of the increase in productivity results from technological advances -- but that suggests that scientists and engineers should be paid extraordinarily well... but they aren't.
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The NRA has proposed that the recent increase in spree shooters is the result of overuse of Ritlan and other drugs that treat attention deficit diseases. Allegedly the drugs are being overprescribed, and bullying by the main stream kids is not being addressed. I cannot say they are right without a lot more digging, but the spree shooters are often among the rejects and in the population of those drugged into submission. There is obviously something that is encouraging spree shooters, a culture on the rise of killing. The natural bred instincts not to kill others not of ones own culture are being bypassed by something or other.

As a practical matter, focusing on those who receive mind altering drugs if there is a side effect of killing people is plausibly legal. I say 'plausibly' as one will never know what the judges will say these days. At least, before the drugs are prescribed, one should look into putting the person drugged onto a list of folks who are deprived of arms and warn parents or guardians to secure their weapons.

There remains the question on whether the legal standards for due process are being met, but that should be worked out.

I think answers should be sought other than prohibition. If you have white skin, or if you are not involved in drugs, you are comfortably within the statistics of other civilized countries such as you find in Europe. The USA does as well as anybody, and attempts by blues to solve the racial and drug problems using gun control is futile and counterproductive. One should at least look at the problems which lead to gun abuse.
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What encourages spree shooters, is the easy availability of more dangerous guns. No, the stats are clear. America has the most guns, and the most violence using guns, regardless of race. The easy availability of guns in white neighborhoods and red states, arms the gangs in black and blue ones. No, it's the NRA and complicit politicians who lead to gun violence. Any use of a gun outside of the army or law enforcement is "gun abuse." We don't have a mental health problem that is any worse than other countries. We have a gun problem that is worse than other countries. I hope the Parkland students prevail; they are our future leaders. The wind is at our back on this issue now. We will move and run over the incrementalists and the gun advocates, and keep moving until Dr. King's granddaughter's dream is fulfilled, a society free of guns! Someday it will happen! I think maybe the NRA stirred up a hornet's nest when they killed 17 suburban school students.
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Our laws are shaped by the insatiable greed of a few. In their greed, the gun lobby and their politicians have tried to distract us. We won't fall for it! Our nation's politics are sick with soullessness, but we are the cure. We choose real change, not incrementalism. Where they believe in the absolutism of an amendment, we believe in human life!



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I like a sign I saw in a report about the rally; GOP stands for Guns Over People.

Bob Dylan sang it when HE was young. "How many deaths does it take till he knows, that too many people have died?"

Did you see this one?

A Chicago public art installation is raising eyebrows in its protest of American gun culture.

The display, Chicago Gun Share Program, depicts an urban bike-sharing station, but instead pretends to offer people the opportunity to rent a rifle.
A sign invites anyone to "unlock and load" a replica high-powered, semi-automatic rifle known as an AR-15.

Activists say they want to raise awareness on how easy it is to "obtain a weapon of war".

The installation in downtown Chicago's Daley Plaza was commissioned by the Brady Center, a gun control advocacy group.

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"We hope the Chicago community takes advantage of the opportunity to visit this installation and to learn just how simple it is for an everyday civilian to obtain a weapon of war," Kris Brown and Avery Gardiner, co-presidents of the Brady Center told US media.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44115267
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(05-23-2018, 05:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: What encourages spree shooters, is the easy availability of more dangerous guns. No, the stats are clear. America has the most guns, and the most violence using guns, regardless of race. The easy availability of guns in white neighborhoods and red states, arms the gangs in black and blue ones. No, it's the NRA and complicit politicians who lead to gun violence. Any use of a gun outside of the army or law enforcement is "gun abuse." We don't have a mental health problem that is any worse than other countries. We have a gun problem that is worse than other countries. I hope the Parkland students prevail; they are our future leaders. The wind is at our back on this issue now. We will move and run over the incrementalists and the gun advocates, and keep moving until Dr. King's granddaughter's dream is fulfilled, a society free of guns! Someday it will happen! I think maybe the NRA stirred up a hornet's nest when they killed 17 suburban school students.

This is the problem with 'debating' someone who refuses to become aware of the facts.  There is a significant increase in gun deaths and violence among blacks.  Among the other populations, the rates are similar to Europe.  Eric creates 'facts' which aren't, which have nothing to do with the FBI data base or the real world.  He has to to reach the absurd responses regarding prohibition that he has. 

There has been a recent rise in spree shooting.  It is not a rise which is dominant.  Spree shooters are far outnumbered by drug related violence, but are far more likely to involve innocent victims.  Addressing the real causes of the problem is far more constructive than insisting that one's lies are true and insisting on remaining ignorant.

Race and drug problems are real, as are spree shooters.  Prohibition as a solution has not worked, and I am dubious about making it work.  However, refusing to look at problems and pretending that other solutions are not possible is not rational either.
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(05-07-2018, 06:26 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: This establishes that if increases in real wages should be necessary for getting America out of an economic bind (such as an inchoate depression), then a solution that involves wage increases can work.

Consequences of stagnant wages include a high level of employee turnover, an in ordinate number of personal bankruptcies, the death of many retail businesses, and a low birth rate.

I am guessing that much of the increase in productivity results from technological advances -- but that suggests that scientists and engineers should be paid extraordinarily well... but they aren't.

Lowering the birth rate is not a good thing?  Earth in the long term must become sustainable.  Maintaining Agricultural Age birth rates with improvements in medicine and cut backs in war deaths is problematic.  

I was a software engineer associated with the military industrial complex and paid quite well, than you, though not so much when compared to the capitalist class, the owners of the means of production.  I would quite agree that resources and wealth should be distributed move evenly, that the few focus too much wealth and political influence on themselves.  The economy is focused too much on the few.

I have heard from apologists for the few that liberals do not understand economics well.  I am dubious about that.  It is easy enough to see that the few are gathering too much wealth and power, that the economy should be inclusive.  The rules are being bent to encourage this.  Ending the robbery, however, involves the center of the country working with the coasts.  This seems difficult, and leaves the few in charge.
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(05-24-2018, 07:17 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(05-23-2018, 05:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: What encourages spree shooters, is the easy availability of more dangerous guns. No, the stats are clear. America has the most guns, and the most violence using guns, regardless of race. The easy availability of guns in white neighborhoods and red states, arms the gangs in black and blue ones. No, it's the NRA and complicit politicians who lead to gun violence. Any use of a gun outside of the army or law enforcement is "gun abuse." We don't have a mental health problem that is any worse than other countries. We have a gun problem that is worse than other countries. I hope the Parkland students prevail; they are our future leaders. The wind is at our back on this issue now. We will move and run over the incrementalists and the gun advocates, and keep moving until Dr. King's granddaughter's dream is fulfilled, a society free of guns! Someday it will happen! I think maybe the NRA stirred up a hornet's nest when they killed 17 suburban school students.

This is the problem with 'debating' someone who refuses to become aware of the facts.  There is a significant increase in gun deaths and violence among blacks.  Among the other populations, the rates are similar to Europe.  Eric creates 'facts' which aren't, which have nothing to do with the FBI data base or the real world.  He has to to reach the absurd responses regarding prohibition that he has. 

There has been a recent rise in spree shooting.  It is not a rise which is dominant.  Spree shooters are far outnumbered by drug related violence, but are far more likely to involve innocent victims.  Addressing the real causes of the problem is far more constructive than insisting that one's lies are true and insisting on remaining ignorant.

Race and drug problems are real, as are spree shooters.  Prohibition as a solution has not worked, and I am dubious about making it work.  However, refusing to look at problems and pretending that other solutions are not possible is not rational either.

Gun control works; that is clear from any perusal of the facts. As has been well publicized, the assault weapons "prohibition" reduced mass shootings by 37%. I never understood why it wasn't a permanent ban. But when it ended, mass shootings went up 200%. Stats have been posted here and elsewhere for a long time that prove my "facts." Just like climate science deniers, gun advocates refuse to look at facts. It is clear that, just as you call it, you have a "values lock" on this issue. As the students point out, you and other gun advocates are not addressing the real cause of the problem: the easy availability and increased technological danger of guns and the refusal of lawmakers to act, partly due to the power of a criminal organization. This is not absurd, but the real fact that any criminal or gang member in the USA can get one by fair means or foul, because there are so many around even in blue states, and so many red states right next door. Bob prefers to ignore this fact and claim that it is I that is ignoring facts.
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Gun violence is higher in red states.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/surprise-s...red-states

I already posted the relationship between murder rates and gun laws. I got the murder stats from http://deathpenaltyinfo.org and the gun law rates from the Brady scorecard.

11 red states, 4 purple states and 2 blue states had the highest murder rates, with an average rank of 9 among the 17 states. In the laxity of their gun laws, these states ranked 19.5

7 red, 6 purple and 4 blue states had an average murder rate rank of 26. Their average Brady scorecard rank was 25.3

5 red, 2 purple and 9 blue states had an average murder rate rank of 42.5. The average lax gun law rank on the Brady scorecard was 32.1

It is quite a notable fact that blue states have the toughest gun laws, with only Maine and Vermont different from the trend.

The notable fact about rural white red states that ranked in the middle section like Wyoming, Montana and Arizona, was that they were near or at the top in gun law laxity. Clearly, it is their lax gun laws alone that make their murder rates comparable to states like CA and NY, WI and PA. Alaska of course is the most glaring example; a rural white state whose murder rate ranks 11 and its lax gun law rate ranks #2.
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wikipedia article says that class is the main factor in higher crime rates, not race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_c...ted_States

This study shows differences between states

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/23/health/gu...index.html

Quote:"We knew going into it that whites would have a higher rate of suicide and that black men would have a higher rate of homicide, but to see that level of variation in the rates across states was surprising," she said. "Any time I see variations so large like that, that can't be due to chance. I want to know why the differences exist."

The researchers also examined the relationships between gun ownership and these homicide and suicide rates by race and state. They used 2004 data, the most recent available, on household firearm ownership in the US from the CDC's national Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System.

They found that rates of gun ownership in a state were positively associated with both homicide and suicide rates among white men but only modestly associated with homicide and suicide rates among black men.

In other words, I note, that black men who commit violent crimes and suicides with guns are over 2x less likely to own a gun. Where do they get their guns then? Obviously, they steal them. There are lots of guns around for blacks to steal. And those blacks who own them, can more easily get them in a state like Indiana and bring them to a state like Illinois.
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This chart shows rates of gun homicide in Europe.

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https://i.imgur.com/YrnSNcX.png

This article I quote above shows the firearm homicide rate for whites in the USA

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/23/health/gu...index.html

You can see that the white firearm homicide rates in the USA range up above 4 in red USA states, and above 1 in USA blue states, while those in Europe are well below 1. The facts are different from what Bob says, and correspond with what I say.

The wind is at our back now. There is no more need to hold back on this issue. It is a key voting issue on the blue side and even among some on the red side. Gun laws are going to get stricter. The 2nd amendment is safe for now, and confiscations will be rare. But if the gun nuts resist common sense gun laws, the public attitude will shift as gun deaths and massacres continue to escalate, and the public may well support confiscation and repeal in the future. And with each new massacre, more organizations and activists are created to work against lax gun laws, and more calls for prohibition and repeal occur.

It's up to you guys, Bob. Which do you want? Common sense gun laws, or confiscation, stricter prohibition and repeal of the 2nd?
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(05-24-2018, 11:48 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Gun control works; that is clear from any perusal of the facts. As has been well publicized, the assault weapons "prohibition" reduced mass shootings by 37%. I never understood why it wasn't a permanent ban. But when it ended, mass shootings went up 200%. Stats have been posted here and elsewhere for a long time that prove my "facts." Just like climate science deniers, gun advocates refuse to look at facts. It is clear that, just as you call it, you have a "values lock" on this issue. As the students point out, you and other gun advocates are not addressing the real cause of the problem: the easy availability and increased technological danger of guns and the refusal of lawmakers to act, partly due to the power of a criminal organization. This is not absurd, but the real fact that any criminal or gang member in the USA can get one by fair means or foul, because there are so many around even in blue states, and so many red states right next door. Bob prefers to ignore this fact and claim that it is I that is ignoring facts.

I'd like to say a little about values lock.  There was a time when lead additives were common in gasoline and the environment, and these happen to be violent times.  Some have said lead is a mind altering pollutant that contributed to the violence.  The blue mind pattern credits the assault weapons ban on the reduction in violence.  The red credit the concealed carry laws which were becoming common at the time.

Values Lock in part reflects an understanding of how the world works.  Is there a inhibition against violence which was reduced by lead additives?  Does prohibition work?  Is it best that the good guys are better armed, trained and ready to deal with violence than the bad guys?  The weapons issue is complex.  I just chose three of many issues which are involved.  The common use of drugs potentially effecting active shooters is another.

Values lock will have an individual so obsessed with one aspect of an issue that he doesn't weigh in or understand others.  I find your presentations present the blue values well and strongly, not so much the many other values and perspectives, many of which are important.

I for one think attention deficit order is a disease, might blame the disease rather than the attempted cure, but would not dismiss the problem out of hand.  People are different.  Not everyone thrives in the particular environment of the schools.  Bullies following the main line are apt to handle roughly many that are ill suited for that environment.  I was a victim of the bullies.  I would try to find their victims another place, and am dubious about drugging them into pseudo compliance with a demanding society.  I would also have the school adults inhibit more actively the bullies, whose intent is often to harm others.

And this perspective should not go away just because it aligns with others.  Because one way of looking at a problem might be considered valid by some, it does not necessarily disqualify others.  Active shooters are a problem.  Prohibition is not the only and obviously correct solution.

That is what I mean be values lock, an obsession on one perspective that leads to an automatic rejection of others.  It reflects alignment with one perspective so tight that it renders one incapable of accepting others.
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(05-28-2018, 08:40 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(05-24-2018, 11:48 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Gun control works; that is clear from any perusal of the facts. As has been well publicized, the assault weapons "prohibition" reduced mass shootings by 37%. I never understood why it wasn't a permanent ban. But when it ended, mass shootings went up 200%. Stats have been posted here and elsewhere for a long time that prove my "facts." Just like climate science deniers, gun advocates refuse to look at facts. It is clear that, just as you call it, you have a "values lock" on this issue. As the students point out, you and other gun advocates are not addressing the real cause of the problem: the easy availability and increased technological danger of guns and the refusal of lawmakers to act, partly due to the power of a criminal organization. This is not absurd, but the real fact that any criminal or gang member in the USA can get one by fair means or foul, because there are so many around even in blue states, and so many red states right next door. Bob prefers to ignore this fact and claim that it is I that is ignoring facts.

I'd like to say a little about values lock.  There was a time when lead additives were common in gasoline and the environment, and these happen to be violent times.  Some have said lead is a mind altering pollutant that contributed to the violence.  The blue mind pattern credits the assault weapons ban on the reduction in violence.  The red credit the concealed carry laws which were becoming common at the time.

I remember seeing someone deny the strong (and with a high likelihood of causality) link between lead in the system and violent crime. I could see the pattern on the map:  that where the bottlenecks for automobile-based commuters concentrated the highest levels of emissions, crime rates were highest. Traffic intensified and slowed as it approached the bottlenecks approaching downtown areas, and so did lead emissions.  In the San Francisco Bay Area, eastern side, violent crime rates intensified from Fremont to Union City to Hayward to San Lorenzo to San Leandro to Oakland, and bad as Oakland was, southern Oakland wasn't quite as bad as the areas just south of downtown. Sure, poverty played its insidious role... but lead could be connected both to cognitive deterioration and loss of impulse control -- both strongly linked to criminality. The same pattern applied to every big city. As leaded fuel began to disappear from vehicle use as cars without catalytic converters disappeared from the vehicle mix, violent crime fell about ten years later. Lead is a cumulative poison.

The denier claimed that it was irreligion (news for him -- poverty and religion correlate strongly), character, and genetic predisposition. Poverty is as severe in America as it has ever been; religious faith is weakening; there is no evidence of any 'genetic improvement (probably a racist matter, but he denied that -- what a surprise!). But the peak years for cohorts of violent crime remain the late 1950s and early 1960s.


Quote:Values Lock in part reflects an understanding of how the world works.  Is there a inhibition against violence which was reduced by lead additives?  Does prohibition work?  Is it best that the good guys are better armed, trained and ready to deal with violence than the bad guys?  The weapons issue is complex.  I just chose three of many issues which are involved.  The common use of drugs potentially effecting active shooters is another.


Few people call for a return to the use of leaded motor fuels. A technological fix for carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides took out a pollutant even more insidious in low concentrations.

I have my idea of an excellent deterrent to crime, one that can detect a bad guy from telltale behavior long before a person knows about the potential mugger, burglar, or rapist... and is just short of the lethality of cougars and black bears similar in size. It has keen senses that do not shut down at night as human senses do. Unlike a firearm, it is more likely to thwart than facilitate a suicide.

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That is a good reason for behaving oneself. You never know where one of these is.



Quote:I for one think attention deficit order is a disease, might blame the disease rather than the attempted cure, but would not dismiss the problem out of hand.  People are different.  Not everyone thrives in the particular environment of the schools.  Bullies following the main line are apt to handle roughly many that are ill suited for that environment.  I was a victim of the bullies.  I would try to find their victims another place, and am dubious about drugging them into pseudo compliance with a demanding society.  I would also have the school adults inhibit more actively the bullies, whose intent is often to harm others.

ADD is real, and it can make much in life extremely frustrating. I would rather have Asperger's (which allows me to do things that must be savored) than ADD which makes on impatient.



Quote:And this perspective should not go away just because it aligns with others.  Because one way of looking at a problem might be considered valid by some, it does not necessarily disqualify others.  Active shooters are a problem.  Prohibition is not the only and obviously correct solution.

We need people who can think outside the box, but those who think outside the box need exercise some judgment on whether their proposals are valid and workable. In my observation, genius is doing something that first seems obviously wrong or absurd and after working it out can convince others of how obvious and applicable the once-crazy idea is. Stupidity or insanity is doing something that is well known to be wrong and absurd, getting bad results, and not recognizing that the results are bad that one sticks with it as if it were wise. The first is J.S. Bach,   Albert Einstein, or Joan Miro. The second? I shall avoid naming names.
 
Quote:That is what I mean be values lock, an obsession on one perspective that leads to an automatic rejection of others.  It reflects alignment with one perspective so tight that it renders one incapable of accepting others.

But recognizing that values lock exist (unless on one's own side) exists is itself a rejection of the idea. Of course, I can lock out homophobia and child sexual abuse at the same time; I consider myself adept enough at testing arguments for their semblance or lack thereof of truth (don't try to convince me that young-earth creationism,  vaccinations cause autism, a flat or hollow Earth, or Holocaust denial is valid).

Two and two is not five, Germany is not to the southwest of France, pi and e are both transcendental (not rational or algebraic), and Alfred Hitchcock did not direct any episode of Star Wars.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(05-28-2018, 08:40 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(05-24-2018, 11:48 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Gun control works; that is clear from any perusal of the facts. As has been well publicized, the assault weapons "prohibition" reduced mass shootings by 37%. I never understood why it wasn't a permanent ban. But when it ended, mass shootings went up 200%. Stats have been posted here and elsewhere for a long time that prove my "facts." Just like climate science deniers, gun advocates refuse to look at facts. It is clear that, just as you call it, you have a "values lock" on this issue. As the students point out, you and other gun advocates are not addressing the real cause of the problem: the easy availability and increased technological danger of guns and the refusal of lawmakers to act, partly due to the power of a criminal organization. This is not absurd, but the real fact that any criminal or gang member in the USA can get one by fair means or foul, because there are so many around even in blue states, and so many red states right next door. Bob prefers to ignore this fact and claim that it is I that is ignoring facts.

I'd like to say a little about values lock.  There was a time when lead additives were common in gasoline and the environment, and these happen to be violent times.  Some have said lead is a mind altering pollutant that contributed to the violence.  The blue mind pattern credits the assault weapons ban on the reduction in violence.  The red credit the concealed carry laws which were becoming common at the time.

It seems to me that when the assault weapons (military rifles in civilian society) ban was in effect, mass shootings declined, and when the ban was lifted, they rose precipitously. Since conceal carry laws, iirc, have been gaining ground continuously, the correlation would not be established between reduction in mass shootings and conceal carry laws.

Quote:Values Lock in part reflects an understanding of how the world works.  Is there a inhibition against violence which was reduced by lead additives?  Does prohibition work?  Is it best that the good guys are better armed, trained and ready to deal with violence than the bad guys?  The weapons issue is complex.  I just chose three of many issues which are involved.  The common use of drugs potentially effecting active shooters is another.

Values lock will have an individual so obsessed with one aspect of an issue that he doesn't weigh in or understand others.  I find your presentations present the blue values well and strongly, not so much the many other values and perspectives, many of which are important.

Today's red values, as I experience them, do not correspond with anything that I consider valuable, nor with the real world as I know it. Republicans used to serve a purpose in cautioning against excesses in liberal values, and had values worth considering. Today, they have grown so extreme that they would only be worth considering again within the context of blue values. Today, the only alternative is to defeat the red values. This is our 4T cold-civil war situation. Perhaps after a red defeat, a new consensus will be established with a range of worthwhile values and opinions. Now, to say the red and blue values are both worth considering, is just like saying slavery should be valued, or almost like saying Nazism should be valued.

Quote:I for one think attention deficit order is a disease, might blame the disease rather than the attempted cure, but would not dismiss the problem out of hand.  People are different.  Not everyone thrives in the particular environment of the schools.  Bullies following the main line are apt to handle roughly many that are ill suited for that environment.  I was a victim of the bullies.  I would try to find their victims another place, and am dubious about drugging them into pseudo compliance with a demanding society.  I would also have the school adults inhibit more actively the bullies, whose intent is often to harm others.

And this perspective should not go away just because it aligns with others.  Because one way of looking at a problem might be considered valid by some, it does not necessarily disqualify others.  Active shooters are a problem.  Prohibition is not the only and obviously correct solution.

That is what I mean be values lock, an obsession on one perspective that leads to an automatic rejection of others.  It reflects alignment with one perspective so tight that it renders one incapable of accepting others.

I don't reject attempts to deal with mental illness or bullying. I have been bullied as well, at many stages of my life; including by some posters here such as terror marie, kinser and vandal, and by various authority figures in my life. We can all benefit with an increase in consideration for others, and remedies to heal the dis-ease that afflicts human beings too often. Regarding gun control, it is better if we recognize the fact that the gun industry and culture are the main contributor to the problem of gun violence, since all countries have mental health issues, crime issues, etc., but the USA has an outsized gun problem. So this issue can't be deflected by attributing it to other causes. That said, no doubt there are other causes, and we'd be a less violent society if we dealt with them as well. Blue states have less violence, overall, and that's because they are willing to deal with all its causes.
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Hmm. Blue values good.  Red values.bad.  Don't deflect onto other causes.  Sounds like an Eric, locked into the idea of prohibition.
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Yup, I'm totally with Matt, and stand by what I said above. Well balanced.





We need to move through the domination by red greed, and deflection, into the bright future that Cameron Kasky points toward after the next 10 years.





What an eloquent group of speeches by late-cohort millennials, born exactly one cycle after JFK and Nelson Mandela. They are showing us boomer gray champions how it's done. I hope some elder blue boomers rise to the occasion too.

Welcome to the Revolution! Millennials will stand up and speak up! They will be heroes.
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David Hogg is especially good in this great although obscure panel of six of the courageous and articulate MSD Parkland School leaders.



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