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It's in the "stars" (predicting by astrology and other means)
#61
In addition to there going to be a Jupiter-Saturn conjunction in 2020, there will also be a perihelion/opposition of Mars and the Sun (causing Mars to flare up dramatically in brightness from out vantage point) in that year.

The last time those two events occurred in the same year?

1860 - when there of course was a "realigning election," which also directly caused a civil war.

The last four Martian perihelion/oppositions have also presaged some sort of violent conflict between Muslims and the adherents of some other religion(s): Vs. both Christians and Jews in 1956 - Billy Joel's "trouble in the Suez;" vs. Hindus in 1971 - the Indian-Pakistani war over Bangladesh (and the iconic humanitarian crisis it caused, resulting in the George Harrison-led We Are The World-like Concert For Bangladesh); vs. Jews in 1988 - the start of the Palestinian "Intifada" against Israel; and vs. Christians in 2003 - the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

So either a civil war or a religious war, or both, is possible in 2020, astrologically speaking.
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(09-01-2016, 09:29 AM)Anthony Wrote: In addition to there going to be a Jupiter-Saturn conjunction in 2020, there will also be a perihelion/opposition of Mars and the Sun (causing Mars to flare up dramatically in brightness from out vantage point) in that year.

The last time those two events occurred in the same year?

1860 - when there of course was a "realigning election," which also directly caused a civil war.

The last four Martian perihelion/oppositions have also presaged some sort of violent conflict between Muslims and the adherents of some other religion(s): Vs. both Christians and Jews in 1956 - Billy Joel's "trouble in the Suez;" vs. Hindus in 1971 - the Indian-Pakistani war over Bangladesh (and the iconic humanitarian crisis it caused, resulting in the George Harrison-led We Are The World-like Concert For Bangladesh); vs. Jews in 1988 - the start of the Palestinian "Intifada" against Israel; and vs. Christians in 2003 - the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

So either a civil war or a religious war, or both, is possible in 2020, astrologically speaking.

That would be December-January 2020-2021.

Yes, I call it the Mars station. As Mars and the Earth get closer together, Mars seems to stop and then go backwards (retrograde) and then stop and go forward (stationary-direct). In the days following these stations, between a week and a month and a half, is when violent events and the start of wars tend to happen. The Sun-Mars opposition (when the Earth is between the Sun and Mars) happens half-way between the stations, which are about 2 to 3 months apart.

It happens every 2 years. It's not necessarily a religious conflict, unless Jupiter, Neptune or the signs Sagittarius and/or Pisces are involved. Wars tend to happen most often at these stations when Mars is also square or opposite Saturn and possibly Pluto; sometimes in trine too.

In January 2014, and then in April, were the previous 2 stations. January 2014 saw the uprising in Ukraine, and in April, the invasion by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. In that latter case, we had a grand cross of Mars, Jupiter, Pluto and Uranus. We have had a Mars station recently too, at the end of June.

In November 2020, Mars station-direct will happen, in Mars-sign Aries, and in mid-December it will be in square (active or aggressive aspect, 90 degrees apart) with Jupiter and Saturn as they form their conjunction at the winter solstice at 0 Aquarius, and Pluto in late Capricorn. With Jupiter involved, it seems likely religion will be involved. Look for any such war in December 2020. Earlier in September it turns retrograde, square Saturn. War may be possible then, but with Jupiter less involved then, it would be less likely to be a religious war. Usually though, the direct stations coincide more closely to the start of wars than retrograde stations.

Another famous case was late August 1939, when Mars turned stationary-direct in square to Saturn and opposite Pluto. The Russian-German non-aggression pact was announced that day. A week later Hitler invaded Poland. In August 2001, Mars had just turned stationary-direct in late July when it conjoined Pluto in Sagittarius (also a sign of flight as well as religion) and opposed Saturn in Gemini, just before Sagittarius' arrows flew into the Twin (Gemini) Towers (Saturn= structures) on Sept.11, 2001. An event I predicted.

When Mars returned to its position on Sept 11, 2001, and opposed Saturn and joined Pluto again, what I predicted to be "an upsurge in the 2001 war" happened-- the USA invasion of Iraq in early March 2003. The Sun was not opposing Mars then. The first Gulf War, as I predicted, happened soon after Mars turned stationary-direct on January 1, 1991, in close trine (120 degree angle) to Saturn. Because it was a harmonious trine, the war was "a cakewalk." (though it was a more arduous "walk" for the Kurds, and not so easy for the Shia in southern Iraq)

Any US civil war or US participation in this 2020 war or any war will happen when the USA Jupiter and Uranus Return cycles come around, which won't be until 2025-2026 now. The last Jupiter Return was in 2013-14, preceded by 2001, 1989-1990, 1977, 1965, 1953, 1941, 1929, 1917, 1906.... The Uranus Return Cycle = the modern saeculum, and the Return of the Crisis Climax: 2027, preceded by 1944, 1861, 1776, 1692, 1607.

In addition, in 2025-26 Neptune Returns to its position at 0 Aries when the civil war broke out (on the very same day it entered aggressive Aries) in April 1861.

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#63
Nasa changed our zodiac signs. What does our resident astrologist say to this?

New Zodiac sign
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(09-21-2016, 01:34 AM)taramarie Wrote: Nasa changed our zodiac signs. What does our resident astrologist say to this?

New Zodiac sign

Its not that hard to figure out.  They will just make some new shit up just like when new planets were discovered.
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#65
(09-21-2016, 02:10 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 01:34 AM)taramarie Wrote: Nasa changed our zodiac signs. What does our resident astrologist say to this?

New Zodiac sign

Its not that hard to figure out.  They will just make some new shit up just like when new planets were discovered.

Or dismiss it to save face. Or in Eric's case he will just ignore it and carry on like he does with everything else.
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#66
(09-21-2016, 02:15 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 02:10 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 01:34 AM)taramarie Wrote: Nasa changed our zodiac signs. What does our resident astrologist say to this?

New Zodiac sign

Its not that hard to figure out.  They will just make some new shit up just like when new planets were discovered.

Or dismiss it to save face. Or in Eric's case he will just ignore it and carry on like he does with everything else.

I suggest that you think of him as an Electric Monk.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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#67
(09-21-2016, 02:28 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 02:15 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 02:10 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 01:34 AM)taramarie Wrote: Nasa changed our zodiac signs. What does our resident astrologist say to this?

New Zodiac sign

Its not that hard to figure out.  They will just make some new shit up just like when new planets were discovered.

Or dismiss it to save face. Or in Eric's case he will just ignore it and carry on like he does with everything else.

I suggest that you think of him as an Electric Monk.
How interesting. The author is also a boomer born 1952 from England. The perfect description of idiotic and ludicrous thought. However anyone can think that of any belief system that contradicts with their belief system. On the other hand a cat is a cat, a dog is a dog. Certain things are just the way they are. Science can explain why (most) things are the way they are physically. But to believe blindly without question or evidence is madness. People make up stuff. It is our duty to question it from a logical standpoint. I question how physical bodies billions of miles away can physically influence cycles on earth as he seems to imply. That does not make any sense to me whatsoever.
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(09-21-2016, 02:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 02:28 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 02:15 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 02:10 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 01:34 AM)taramarie Wrote: Nasa changed our zodiac signs. What does our resident astrologist say to this?

New Zodiac sign

Its not that hard to figure out.  They will just make some new shit up just like when new planets were discovered.

Or dismiss it to save face. Or in Eric's case he will just ignore it and carry on like he does with everything else.

I suggest that you think of him as an Electric Monk.
How interesting. The author is also a boomer born 1952 from England. The perfect description of idiotic and ludicrous thought. However anyone can think that of any belief system that contradicts with their belief system. On the other hand a cat is a cat, a dog is a dog. Certain things are just the way they are. Science can explain why (most) things are the way they are physically. But to believe blindly without question or evidence is madness. People make up stuff. It is our duty to question it from a logical standpoint. I question how physical bodies billions of miles away can physically influence cycles on earth as he seems to imply. That does not make any sense to me whatsoever.

Exactly, Boomers in general and Eric the Obtuse in particular tend to have answers but no questions.  Scientific knowledge can explain the known.  Science is the tool that allows us to gather knew knowledge.  The more complex the system the less that can be known about it which is why science is not a matter of consensus and is never truly settled.  Newton's Laws are in fact not completely true but they are good enough for most situations and are relatively easy to work with so we still use them.  One man with evidence is sufficient to overturn any theory.

Only through uncertainty can understanding come.  People who are the most certain tend to make the most spectacular disasters.  Eric the Obtuse is very certain which explains his spectacular screw ups.
 
Douglas Adams truly had a gift for capturing the absurdity of modern society along with the human condition.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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(09-21-2016, 03:31 AM)Galen Wrote: Exactly, Boomers in general and Eric the Obtuse in particular tend to have answers but no questions.  Scientific knowledge can explain the known.  Science is the tool that allows us to gather new knowledge.  The more complex the system the less that can be known about it which is why science is not a matter of consensus and is never truly settled.  Newton's Laws are in fact not completely true but they are good enough for most situations and are relatively easy to work with so we still use them.  One man with evidence is sufficient to overturn any theory.

Only through uncertainty can understanding come.  People who are the most certain tend to make the most spectacular disasters.  Eric the Obtuse is very certain which explains his spectacular screw ups.
 

But I don't screw up very much. You have never refuted any opinion I have expressed. Just call names. My record of prediction is probably better than any pundit or astrologer. It's pretty good, considering the uncertainty level of human events. I don't know many if any who predicted the revolution of 1989 and the Balkan Wars of the 90s, the middle east wars such as 1973, the timing of Nixon's resignation, the secrets revealed in the press in 1971-72, the US wars of 1989 and 1991, the US attacked and gone to war in 2001, plus what I called an "upsurge" for early 2003, Obamacare passing, the papal scandal and the reform pope, the economic crash of Fall 2008, the timing of a modest recovery, the refuge crisis starting in 2011, the revolutions of that year, the exact electoral vote and all the events of the 2012 election.....
https://youtu.be/oKmyB1q3H68
https://youtu.be/WAoeW5fXJYU
http://philosopherswheel.com/predictions.html
you will keep denigrating me, but your denigrations and name-calling have no substance. You just act like Donald Trump. We'll see if Hillary wins, as I predict.

I do not answer any questions posed by the kiwi, or follow any link she posts.

I don't disagree with what you said about science, except with, of course, your stubborn insults against me. And, there are other modes of knowledge besides science, but it is the mode for specific questions which are the most verifiable by experiment and testing.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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#70
(09-21-2016, 07:12 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 03:31 AM)Galen Wrote: Exactly, Boomers in general and Eric the Obtuse in particular tend to have answers but no questions.  Scientific knowledge can explain the known.  Science is the tool that allows us to gather new knowledge.  The more complex the system the less that can be known about it which is why science is not a matter of consensus and is never truly settled.  Newton's Laws are in fact not completely true but they are good enough for most situations and are relatively easy to work with so we still use them.  One man with evidence is sufficient to overturn any theory.

Only through uncertainty can understanding come.  People who are the most certain tend to make the most spectacular disasters.  Eric the Obtuse is very certain which explains his spectacular screw ups.
 

But I don't screw up very much. You have never refuted any opinion I have expressed. Just call names. My record of prediction is probably better than any pundit or astrologer. It's pretty good, considering the uncertainty level of human events. I don't know many if any who predicted the revolution of 1989 and the Balkan Wars of the 90s, the middle east wars such as 1973, the timing of Nixon's resignation, the secrets revealed in the press in 1971-72, the US wars of 1989 and 1991, the US attacked and gone to war in 2001, plus what I called an "upsurge" for early 2003, Obamacare passing, the papal scandal and the reform pope, the economic crash of Fall 2008, the timing of a modest recovery, the refuge crisis starting in 2011, the revolutions of that year, the exact electoral vote and all the events of the 2012 election.....
https://youtu.be/oKmyB1q3H68
https://youtu.be/WAoeW5fXJYU
http://philosopherswheel.com/predictions.html
you will keep denigrating me, but your denigrations and name-calling have no substance. You just act like Donald Trump. We'll see if Hillary wins, as I predict.

I do not answer any questions posed by the kiwi, or follow any link she posts.

I don't disagree with what you said about science, except with, of course, your stubborn insults against me. And, there are other modes of knowledge besides science, but it is the mode for specific questions which are the most verifiable by experiment and testing.

See I am great at predictions too! You will not acknowledge that there are changes to the horoscopes.
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#71
(09-21-2016, 02:35 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 07:12 AM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 03:31 AM)Galen Wrote: Exactly, Boomers in general and Eric the Obtuse in particular tend to have answers but no questions.  Scientific knowledge can explain the known.  Science is the tool that allows us to gather new knowledge.  The more complex the system the less that can be known about it which is why science is not a matter of consensus and is never truly settled.  Newton's Laws are in fact not completely true but they are good enough for most situations and are relatively easy to work with so we still use them.  One man with evidence is sufficient to overturn any theory.

Only through uncertainty can understanding come.  People who are the most certain tend to make the most spectacular disasters.  Eric the Obtuse is very certain which explains his spectacular screw ups.
 

But I don't screw up very much. You have never refuted any opinion I have expressed. Just call names. My record of prediction is probably better than any pundit or astrologer. It's pretty good, considering the uncertainty level of human events. I don't know many if any who predicted the revolution of 1989 and the Balkan Wars of the 90s, the middle east wars such as 1973, the timing of Nixon's resignation, the secrets revealed in the press in 1971-72, the US wars of 1989 and 1991, the US attacked and gone to war in 2001, plus what I called an "upsurge" for early 2003, Obamacare passing, the papal scandal and the reform pope, the economic crash of Fall 2008, the timing of a modest recovery, the refuge crisis starting in 2011, the revolutions of that year, the exact electoral vote and all the events of the 2012 election.....
https://youtu.be/oKmyB1q3H68
https://youtu.be/WAoeW5fXJYU
http://philosopherswheel.com/predictions.html
you will keep denigrating me, but your denigrations and name-calling have no substance. You just act like Donald Trump. We'll see if Hillary wins, as I predict.

I do not answer any questions posed by the kiwi, or follow any link she posts.

I don't disagree with what you said about science, except with, of course, your stubborn insults against me. And, there are other modes of knowledge besides science, but it is the mode for specific questions which are the most verifiable by experiment and testing.

See I am great at predictions too! You will not acknowledge that there are changes to the horoscopes.

Score another one for the kiwi.  Interesting that I don't get ignored because I am far harder on Eric the Obtuse than you are.

His predictions are so vague as to be meaningless.  For 1989 he predicted an attempt a world government, not quite the same as the collapse of the Soviet Union or the Warsaw Pact.  While Nixon's presidency ended badly the prediction appeared to be implying that he would be assassinated which was probably wishful thinking on the part of Eric the Obtuse.  I have to admit that was the most impressive display of confirmation bias that I have encountered in a long time.

I have never coddled the stupid in the past and I am not about to start now.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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But you're a libertarian, Galen. So that last line isn't precisely true.
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(09-22-2016, 12:03 AM)Einzige Wrote: But you're a libertarian, Galen. So that last line isn't precisely true.

I don't consider libertarians to be stupid in the general case.  There have been some exceptions.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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#74
Eric The Green Wrote:That would be December-January 2020-2021.

Yes, I call it the Mars station. As Mars and the Earth get closer together, Mars seems to stop and then go backwards (retrograde) and then stop and go forward (stationary-direct). In the days following these stations, between a week and a month and a half, is when violent events and the start of wars tend to happen. The Sun-Mars opposition (when the Earth is between the Sun and Mars) happens half-way between the stations, which are about 2 to 3 months apart.

OK, explanation given above.

Quote:It happens every 2 years. It's [ not necessarily a religious conflict,]   unless Jupiter, Neptune or the signs Sagittarius and/or Pisces are involved. Wars [tend] to happen most often at these stations when Mars is also square or opposite Saturn and [ possibly ] Pluto; [ sometimes] in trine too.

I put brackets around some weasel words. So, I'll be nice. What are the probabilities for a war and between which party[ies] ?

Do a comma delimited list as such, please.

party,party,...  vs.  party,party,.., date, proability

As such

US,UK,EU,vs,IS,5/3/2021,40%




Quote:In January 2014, and then in April, were the previous 2 stations. January 2014 saw the uprising in Ukraine, and in April, the invasion by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. In that latter case, we had a grand cross of Mars, Jupiter, Pluto and Uranus. We have had a Mars station recently too, at the end of June.

OK

Quote:In November 2020, Mars station-direct will happen, in Mars-sign Aries, and in mid-December it will be in square (active or aggressive aspect, 90 degrees apart) with Jupiter and Saturn as they form their conjunction at the winter solstice at 0 Aquarius, and Pluto in late Capricorn. With Jupiter involved, it seems [likely] religion will be involved. Look for any such war in December 2020. Earlier in September it turns retrograde, square Saturn. War may be possible then, but with Jupiter less involved then, it would be less likely to be a religious war. Usually though, the direct stations coincide more closely to the start of wars than retrograde stations.
Weathermen assign "likely" as a 60% chance.
India,vs,Pakistan,Dec/31/2020,60%

Quote:Another famous case was late August 1939, when Mars turned stationary-direct in square to Saturn and opposite Pluto. The Russian-German non-aggression pact was announced that day. A week later Hitler invaded Poland. In August 2001, Mars had just turned stationary-direct in late July when it conjoined Pluto in Sagittarius (also a sign of flight as well as religion) and opposed Saturn in Gemini, just before Sagittarius' arrows flew into the Twin (Gemini) Towers (Saturn= structures) on Sept.11, 2001. An event I predicted.

Past performance is no indicator of future results, man. Tongue

Quote:When Mars returned to its position on Sept 11, 2001, and opposed Saturn and joined Pluto again, what I predicted to be "an upsurge in the 2001 war" happened-- the USA invasion of Iraq in early March 2003. The Sun was not opposing Mars then. The first Gulf War, as I predicted, happened soon after Mars turned stationary-direct on January 1, 1991, in close trine (120 degree angle) to Saturn. Because it was a harmonious trine, the war was "a cakewalk." (though it was a more arduous "walk" for the Kurds, and not so easy for the Shia in southern Iraq)

Ditto.

Quote:Any US civil war or US participation in this 2020 war or any war will happen when the USA Jupiter and Uranus Return cycles come around, which won't be until 2025-2026 now. The last Jupiter Return was in 2013-14, preceded by 2001, 1989-1990, 1977, 1965, 1953, 1941, 1929, 1917, 1906.... The Uranus Return Cycle = the modern saeculum, and the Return of the Crisis Climax: 2027, preceded by 1944, 1861, 1776, 1692, 1607.

Wtf?   "this 2020 war" ?
I uh guess.  If a 2020 war happens without US then we need a probability for US involvement in a specific date! What day within time range of 2025-2026.  The planets only align for a smaller time than 1 freakin' year man. Cool

Quote:In addition, in 2025-26 Neptune Returns to its position at 0 Aries when the civil war broke out (on the very same day it entered aggressive Aries) in April 1861.

Neptune? That one's sort of out there.  So we need a specific DATE RANGE for Neptune.  Mars is faster so a set of dates/probabilities is needed.
1/1/2025-?  20%
?/?/?2025-? 60%
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So what's the chance yer gonna hit yer predictions?
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(09-21-2016, 11:21 PM)Galen Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 02:35 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 07:12 AM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 03:31 AM)Galen Wrote: Exactly, Boomers in general and Eric the Obtuse in particular tend to have answers but no questions.  Scientific knowledge can explain the known.  Science is the tool that allows us to gather new knowledge.  The more complex the system the less that can be known about it which is why science is not a matter of consensus and is never truly settled.  Newton's Laws are in fact not completely true but they are good enough for most situations and are relatively easy to work with so we still use them.  One man with evidence is sufficient to overturn any theory.

Only through uncertainty can understanding come.  People who are the most certain tend to make the most spectacular disasters.  Eric the Obtuse is very certain which explains his spectacular screw ups.
 

But I don't screw up very much. You have never refuted any opinion I have expressed. Just call names. My record of prediction is probably better than any pundit or astrologer. It's pretty good, considering the uncertainty level of human events. I don't know many if any who predicted the revolution of 1989 and the Balkan Wars of the 90s, the middle east wars such as 1973, the timing of Nixon's resignation, the secrets revealed in the press in 1971-72, the US wars of 1989 and 1991, the US attacked and gone to war in 2001, plus what I called an "upsurge" for early 2003, Obamacare passing, the papal scandal and the reform pope, the economic crash of Fall 2008, the timing of a modest recovery, the refuge crisis starting in 2011, the revolutions of that year, the exact electoral vote and all the events of the 2012 election.....
https://youtu.be/oKmyB1q3H68
https://youtu.be/WAoeW5fXJYU
http://philosopherswheel.com/predictions.html
you will keep denigrating me, but your denigrations and name-calling have no substance. You just act like Donald Trump. We'll see if Hillary wins, as I predict.

I do not answer any questions posed by the kiwi, or follow any link she posts.

I don't disagree with what you said about science, except with, of course, your stubborn insults against me. And, there are other modes of knowledge besides science, but it is the mode for specific questions which are the most verifiable by experiment and testing.

See I am great at predictions too! You will not acknowledge that there are changes to the horoscopes.

Score another one for the kiwi.  Interesting that I don't get ignored because I am far harder on Eric the Obtuse than you are.

His predictions are so vague as to be meaningless.  For 1989 he predicted an attempt a world government, not quite the same as the collapse of the Soviet Union or the Warsaw Pact.  While Nixon's presidency ended badly the prediction appeared to be implying that he would be assassinated which was probably wishful thinking on the part of Eric the Obtuse.  I have to admit that was the most impressive display of confirmation bias that I have encountered in a long time.

I have never coddled the stupid in the past and I am not about to start now.
Probably because of how I word things as well as the fact I remember exactly what he says and repeat it back to him. I do not think he likes that. All I simply want is for him to stop bashing Xers and their culture as well as be more sensitive to other cultures than his own. He can believe what he likes. But he is on repeat. It is nothing but destructive which is ironic given he thinks their culture on the whole (as I will mention i do remember he has said he likes some of their music) is destructive. I think he blocks me for I am much closer to what he most treasures and I do delve into the internal far more. I am a fellow artist you see. He seems to look at it from a higher pov. While I like to understand the mindset of all cultures, all eras and all generations for it is fascinating and should be respected. We can learn so much that way. But he prefers to condemn it from afar but does not even want to understand what he hates. I just want him to stop the negativity. He says it is destructive. Well, negativity is also destructive. Not wanting to build bridges between cultures and condemn them from afar is also destructive. Sometimes things are the way they are for a reason. He blocks me for I am too close to home. I also have not coddled the stupid but I am not sure he is. I see some intelligence there but he refuses to continue learning. He seems to be stuck in his ways now. I suppose we all get there at some point in elder life. We are simply different as I love to listen to everyone and learn. Younger traits perhaps? There is so much culture from so many eras and it must all be explored. Not condemned as well as those who create the songs. We should learn about them for they help to understand the 4T theory on a deeper level also. As for his predictions well lets just say i will believe it when i see it. THEN i would want to see more evidence of past success. I believe in evidence as to how predictions are made and results. THEN and only then there may be something to it. I am naturally skeptical when someone states they are a prophet.
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(09-22-2016, 02:02 AM)taramarie Wrote: As for his predictions well lets just say i will believe it when i see it. THEN i would want to see more evidence of past success. I believe in evidence as to how predictions are made and results. THEN and only then there may be something to it. I am naturally skeptical when someone states they are a prophet.

Now you know why I dislike Boomers in general and Eric the Obtuse in particular.  No matter how many times something doesn't work they keep doing the same thing over and over in the hope that it will work if they just believe in it just a little bit harder.  After a half-century of being on the receiving end of that kind of stupidity and knowing it won't end anytime soon tends to wear out my patience.

I do pretty well in figuring out how things are going to go but I always have a backup plan for as many of the failure cases as possible.  Just part of the low level paranoia Nomads often develop to deal with the chaos caused by those who are so certain they can predict the future.  Plus I always remember that the perversity of the universe tends toward a maximum.  Not quite sure why that works so often and so well.

Skepticism is a valuable survival skill as you already have figured out.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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(09-22-2016, 02:56 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-22-2016, 02:02 AM)taramarie Wrote: As for his predictions well lets just say i will believe it when i see it. THEN i would want to see more evidence of past success. I believe in evidence as to how predictions are made and results. THEN and only then there may be something to it. I am naturally skeptical when someone states they are a prophet.

Now you know why I dislike Boomers in general and Eric the Obtuse in particular.  No matter how many times something doesn't work they keep doing the same thing over and over in the hope that it will work if they just believe in it just a little bit harder.  After a half-century of being on the receiving end of that kind of stupidity and knowing it won't end anytime soon tends to wear out my patience.

I do pretty well in figuring out how things are going to go but I always have a backup plan for as many of the failure cases as possible.  Just part of the low level paranoia Nomads often develop to deal with the chaos caused by those who are so certain they can predict the future.  Plus I always remember that the perversity of the universe tends toward a maximum.  Not quite sure why that works so often and so well.

Skepticism is a valuable survival skill as you already have figured out.
Thing is, not all boomers are like that so I give everyone a chance. Life is too short and as I see the blame game does not work I would rather give everyone a chance and try help them. Eric seems not aware I am trying to help him too. He does the same in his own way of judging xers with their culture for instance. Calling it wrong (although this could include 80s boom culture too I should add). But he does tend to go on about xer music (which is a part of their culture). It must be awful living with prejudice like that. But it is also intolerable to see that bully streak too. Courtesy is not common any longer it seems. Anyway sure some certainly do love to repeat what they believe. I lived with it. It only pushes people away and rebel. For me, well....I guess I was influenced by it. I mean I was a wee dot when they became moralistic and started to really push their beliefs onto others. I never thought to rebel. I thought it was right and true.....till I saw their hypocrisy at age 13 onward. I figured, you should act on what you preach. Know what the response was to that? I am an adult, I can do what I like. You are a kid, you do as you are told. I called bullshit and locked that boomer out the house. Then flushed her cigarettes. They preach a hell of a lot (some of them) yet do not act on it. What is the point of believing in certain things if they do not act on it? I had another one on my back about drinking soda. Like what is it to you? My body my choice! Get out my face! As I grew older after seeing the hypocrisy and also questioning a lot of things like, you ban cannabis which has medicinal properties yet other destructive things are legal. How the f does that work? Sugar is bad for you. Alcohol is bad for you. Cigarettes etc are all bad. Not to mention how deadly pharmaceutical drugs are bad for you. So the world run by these guys just makes no freaking sense to me. But are they all as bad as each other? Hell no for reasons I have mentioned elsewhere. Their leaders however do not know how to run a logical political system. I hear you on having a back up system. I only learned that skill though a few years ago sadly. Reason being that those boomers did not prepare me for what was out there. Being heavily coddled did not help me either. I could not help the way I was raised though. It was a great big knock in the teeth. Especially with the great recession and the earthquakes which have devastated the whole city and some suburbs are now condemned. They are now country side. It has been rough but I have learned gratefully and marched on looking at the positives and blessings along the way. Smile
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(09-22-2016, 03:18 AM)taramarie Wrote: Their leaders however do not know how to run a logical political system. I hear you on having a back up system. I only learned that skill though a few years ago sadly. Reason being that those boomers did not prepare me for what was out there. Being heavily coddled did not help me either. I could not help the way I was raised though. It was a great big knock in the teeth. Especially with the great recession and the earthquakes which have devastated the whole city and some suburbs are now condemned. They are now country side. It has been rough but I have learned gratefully and marched on looking at the positives and blessings along the way. Smile

They have all of the hubris of the GIs with none of the competence.  The Millies are going to learn many things the hard way because of that.  With Millies all I have to do in most cases is let life kick the shit out of them for a few years and then its real easy to get them to wise up.

The next leg down on the Great Recession looks like it will be getting underway shortly because I think the central banks are losing control.  Having half of the Middle East showing up in Europe is pissing off the Germans and the French which historically tends not to end well.  The British have already decided they have had enough and are working on a wall to keep migrants out.  Come to think of it, the the Swedes appear to be getting in touch with their inner Viking.  The migrants had better start behaving themselves before the Germans start getting in touch with their inner Nazi.  Clearly the Germans have lost patience with Merkel.

I don't have to check with the stars to know that Europe will probably close its borders or suffer unrest of the likes they haven't seen in a very long time.  You might want to look at other times large numbers of military age Muslims have showed up.  It could be a replay of the crusades and they just might ask Putin for help in dealing with the problem.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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(09-22-2016, 03:57 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-22-2016, 03:18 AM)taramarie Wrote: Their leaders however do not know how to run a logical political system. I hear you on having a back up system. I only learned that skill though a few years ago sadly. Reason being that those boomers did not prepare me for what was out there. Being heavily coddled did not help me either. I could not help the way I was raised though. It was a great big knock in the teeth. Especially with the great recession and the earthquakes which have devastated the whole city and some suburbs are now condemned. They are now country side. It has been rough but I have learned gratefully and marched on looking at the positives and blessings along the way. Smile

They have all of the hubris of the GIs with none of the competence.  The Millies are going to learn many things the hard way because of that.  With Millies all I have to do in most cases is let life kick the shit out of them for a few years and then its real easy to get them to wise up.

The next leg down on the Great Recession looks like it will be getting underway shortly because I think the central banks are losing control.  Having half of the Middle East showing up in Europe is pissing off the Germans and the French which historically tends not to end well.  The British have already decided they have had enough and are working on a wall to keep migrants out.  Come to think of it, the the Swedes appear to be getting in touch with their inner Viking.  The migrants had better start behaving themselves before the Germans start getting in touch with their inner Nazi.  Clearly the Germans have lost patience with Merkel.

I don't have to check with the stars to know that Europe will probably close its borders or suffer unrest of the likes they haven't seen in a very long time.  You might want to look at other times large numbers of military age Muslims have showed up.  It could be a replay of the crusades and they just might ask Putin for help in dealing with the problem.
Well I will not judge all boomers for that. I have met some who are very rational and not as blindly idealistic as some seem to be. My thoughts on ideals is that they are fantastic ONLY when realistically achievable. Also I am not favourable of the attitudes of some early boomers who I have met who seem to be the most unrealistic and idealistic who think they have planned out the perfect society for us all and wonder why it will not work when told so even though they are getting hate from all sides. Calmly telling them why it will not work does not seem to work either. It boggles the mind. An ideal should be agreed on by the people and it should be a realistic ideal that the majority agree on and it will only happen when nations are in dire straits. When there is no other option. A rational ideal. I have no patience for childish fantasies that could potentially destroy the economy and the lives of many. Which is why I am not pleased with our govt pushing to increase the amount of refugees into the country. We have enough kiwis struggling let alone letting more in atm. All for the ideal. What about fixing our problems before letting more in! What about us? It is nice and all but this is the worst time for NZ to be letting them in at the moment. I do not think building a wall will keep them out lol. Keeping Muslims out will be near damn impossible. Though many are tightening up on how many people come into the country now. Including NZ. People are furious that both National and Labour (right and left wing main parties) are letting them in. NZ First has been dubbed by some Americans as the rational Trump of NZ. Winston Peters is in a few ways similar but in other ways VERY progressive. Other ways very conservative. But the key is in the name of the party to understanding what he is all about. When times are hard naturally people want to take care of their own first.
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(09-22-2016, 04:15 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(09-22-2016, 03:57 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-22-2016, 03:18 AM)taramarie Wrote: Their leaders however do not know how to run a logical political system. I hear you on having a back up system. I only learned that skill though a few years ago sadly. Reason being that those boomers did not prepare me for what was out there. Being heavily coddled did not help me either. I could not help the way I was raised though. It was a great big knock in the teeth. Especially with the great recession and the earthquakes which have devastated the whole city and some suburbs are now condemned. They are now country side. It has been rough but I have learned gratefully and marched on looking at the positives and blessings along the way. Smile

They have all of the hubris of the GIs with none of the competence.  The Millies are going to learn many things the hard way because of that.  With Millies all I have to do in most cases is let life kick the shit out of them for a few years and then its real easy to get them to wise up.

The next leg down on the Great Recession looks like it will be getting underway shortly because I think the central banks are losing control.  Having half of the Middle East showing up in Europe is pissing off the Germans and the French which historically tends not to end well.  The British have already decided they have had enough and are working on a wall to keep migrants out.  Come to think of it, the the Swedes appear to be getting in touch with their inner Viking.  The migrants had better start behaving themselves before the Germans start getting in touch with their inner Nazi.  Clearly the Germans have lost patience with Merkel.

I don't have to check with the stars to know that Europe will probably close its borders or suffer unrest of the likes they haven't seen in a very long time.  You might want to look at other times large numbers of military age Muslims have showed up.  It could be a replay of the crusades and they just might ask Putin for help in dealing with the problem.
Well I will not judge all boomers for that. I have met some who are very rational and not as blindly idealistic as some seem to be. My thoughts on ideals is that they are fantastic ONLY when realistically achievable. Also I am not favourable of the attitudes of some early boomers who I have met who seem to be the most unrealistic and idealistic who think they have planned out the perfect society for us all and wonder why it will not work when told so even though they are getting hate from all sides. Calmly telling them why it will not work does not seem to work either. It boggles the mind. An ideal should be agreed on by the people and it should be a realistic ideal that the majority agree on and it will only happen when nations are in dire straits. When there is no other option. A rational ideal. I have no patience for childish fantasies that could potentially destroy the economy and the lives of many. Which is why I am not pleased with our govt pushing to increase the amount of refugees into the country. We have enough kiwis struggling let alone letting more in atm. All for the ideal. What about fixing our problems before letting more in! What about us? It is nice and all but this is the worst time for NZ to be letting them in at the moment. I do not think building a wall will keep them out lol. Keeping Muslims out will be near damn impossible. Though many are tightening up on how many people come into the country now. Including NZ. People are furious that both National and Labour (right and left wing main parties) are letting them in. NZ First has been dubbed by some Americans as the rational Trump of NZ. Winston Peters is in a few ways similar but in other ways VERY progressive. Other ways very conservative. But the key is in the name of the party to understanding what he is all about. When times are hard naturally people want to take care of their own first.

I have been playing the odds on Boomers for a long time and I am usually right about what I am dealing with.  You are not wrong about there being exceptions but I don't count on them.

Muslims have been kept out before but the methods have tended to be pretty violent with the survivors taking the hint and going somewhere else.  This usually happens after years and sometimes centuries of provocations.  Check out the history of the Crusades for a more complete description.





Naturally, I would prefer not to see this occur but the possibility can not be ignored.  Always plan for the worst and then be glad when it doesn't happen.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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