Millennials when old

[Blazkovitz]

What sort of senior citizens will millennials be?

I think they will use digital technologies to cope with physical limitations of old age, living online the way they do today during the lockdown season.

Creating "safe spaces" for themselves to shield themselves from new things from the 2T they don't approve of.

Will they still hold to their Leftist views from the 4T?

[AspieMillennial]

I personally never cared about safe spaces. Safe spaces are a liberal thing. Safe spaces are assigned to conservative Millennials when the liberal ones are the ones who created them. Liberalism is about policing others.

[AspieMillennial]

I plan to not side with anyone during the 2T. Why should I side with anyone when both sides would hate me? Why not just use my old age to relax? I have no time to deal with hostile morons and as the 4T lingers on this generation war is bullshit.

[Warren Dew]

(04-02-2020, 04:49 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote: Will they still hold to their Leftist views from the 4T?

I'm unconvinced that Millenial views are truly leftist.  They're liberal on LGBTQ issues, but they're actually on the conservative side with respect to the welfare state.

[David Horn]

(04-18-2020, 07:38 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(04-02-2020, 04:49 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote: Will they still hold to their Leftist views from the 4T?

I'm unconvinced that Millennial views are truly leftist.  They're liberal on LGBTQ issues, but they're actually on the conservative side with respect to the welfare state.

That would be the exact opposite of the GIs, and I doubt it's that cut-and-dry.  Millennials are suffering from the effects of too much neoliberal policy, when the Dems are in, and even worse when the GOP is in charge. They see the problem.  I'm unconvinced they see the cause.  They are lobbying for a new deal that puts them first.  That's personal, not political.

[sbarrera]

(04-18-2020, 07:38 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(04-02-2020, 04:49 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote: Will they still hold to their Leftist views from the 4T?

I'm unconvinced that Millenial views are truly leftist.  They're liberal on LGBTQ issues, but they're actually on the conservative side with respect to the welfare state.

The way I would put it is that values are renormalizing. Acceptance of LGBTQ is becoming a norm; ie. it's mainstream, not leftist or liberal. Same with acceptance of marijuana.

As for views on welfare, there is much credence given to the idea of Millennials leaning left or even socialist. But the recent collapse of the Sanders candidacy suggests otherwise.

[Isoko]

I wouldn't say the Millennials are liberal per say but actually conservative and conformist.

They heavily support gay rights because the state told them to do so. They heavily support liberal social ideas because the state told them to do so. They support limiting welfare because the state told them to do so.

Let's just say the establishment in the West was, ooohh I dunno, white supremacist. Let's say the state told everyone that whites are superior, everyone else is inferior and blah, blah ,blah.

The Millennials would, as a majority, support it. They would see it as their civic duty to do so per se.

Now when it comes to the Millennials being old people, I think that they will be very quiet. If the West does collapse in the 4T, some millennials will become like the old Soviet generation. Dreaming of their life when things were better and how horribly right wing things are today, etc, etc. Others will quietly embrace whatever changes come.

[Blazkovitz]

I remember the description of the Republican Generation from S&H, who called themselves "ancient" and "venerable" and deplored the Transcendentals not joining their rational masonic brotherhood. In the same token, I can imagine Millennials deploring the New Prophets not joining their inclusive digital community.

[AspieMillennial]

(04-20-2020, 09:15 AM)Isoko Wrote: I wouldn't say the Millennials are liberal per say but actually conservative and conformist.

They heavily support gay rights because the state told them to do so. They heavily support liberal social ideas because the state told them to do so. They support limiting welfare because the state told them to do so.

Let's just say the establishment in the West was, ooohh I dunno, white supremacist. Let's say the state told everyone that whites are superior, everyone else is inferior and blah, blah ,blah.

The Millennials would, as a majority, support it. They would see it as their civic duty to do so per se.

Now when it comes to the Millennials being old people, I think that they will be very quiet. If the West does collapse in the 4T, some millennials will become like the old Soviet generation. Dreaming of their life when things were better and how horribly right wing things are today, etc, etc. Others will quietly embrace whatever changes come.

Conservative means a set of ideas not just believing what the media says. Liberal is also a set of ideas. I think generation is a construct people are brainwashed into following. Liberal doesn't mean free thinking. If anything the conservatives in the Millennial generation are more free thinking. Left wingers operate more like a hivemind. Obedience to the state and media are leftist to me. Right wingers are more into alternative media sources.

[Isoko]

Aspie Millennial,

I agree with what you say. The right wing millennials are more the free thinkers in today's society. However when I refer to conservative, I mean a stance that is unwilling to change although for the leftie millennials, so would say they are more fundamentalist if anything.

I guess because of today's world, you could say that the right wingers are more like the liberals of old, the current paradigm is leftist fundamentalism and the majority of millennials are either conservative to the status quo or downright hostile to any opposing point of view.

You know I always used to jokingly think to myself how many millennials would become kamikaze pilots if it meant defending diversity and political correctness.

[Warren Dew]

(04-20-2020, 07:48 AM)sbarrera Wrote: As for views on welfare, there is much credence given to the idea of Millennials leaning left or even socialist. But the recent collapse of the Sanders candidacy suggests otherwise.

I think perhaps what's being reflected in the poll results is an objection to traditional, means tested welfare, with high state interference in how the money is used.

I think Millennials are more likely to support UBI style "welfare" that everyone gets.

[Eric the Green]

(04-18-2020, 07:38 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(04-02-2020, 04:49 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote: Will they still hold to their Leftist views from the 4T?

I'm unconvinced that Millenial views are truly leftist.  They're liberal on LGBTQ issues, but they're actually on the conservative side with respect to the welfare state.

Stats and polls prove clearly that they are on the liberal side with respect to that. I posted this recently.

[Eric the Green]

(04-20-2020, 03:46 PM)Isoko Wrote: Aspie Millennial,

I agree with what you say. The right wing millennials are more the free thinkers in today's society. However when I refer to conservative, I mean a stance that is unwilling to change although for the leftie millennials, so would say they are more fundamentalist if anything.

I guess because of today's world, you could say that the right wingers are more like the liberals of old, the current paradigm is leftist fundamentalism and the majority of millennials are either conservative to the status quo or downright hostile to any opposing point of view.

You know I always used to jokingly think to myself how many millennials would become kamikaze pilots if it meant defending diversity and political correctness.

Diversity remains a leftist millennial concern, partly because they are diverse while conservative older whites are afraid the diverse millennials are taking over. Even more, opening up opportunity for young people economically is a millennial leftist concern.

Quote:They heavily support gay rights because the state told them to do so. They heavily support liberal social ideas because the state told them to do so. They support ... welfare because the state told them to do so.

They support these things because they are informed, and because they are concerned with their own interests.

[Eric the Green]

(04-20-2020, 07:48 AM)sbarrera Wrote:

(04-18-2020, 07:38 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(04-02-2020, 04:49 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote: Will they still hold to their Leftist views from the 4T?

I'm unconvinced that Millenial views are truly leftist.  They're liberal on LGBTQ issues, but they're actually on the conservative side with respect to the welfare state.

The way I would put it is that values are renormalizing. Acceptance of LGBTQ is becoming a norm; ie. it's mainstream, not leftist or liberal. Same with acceptance of marijuana.

As for views on welfare, there is much credence given to the idea of Millennials leaning left or even socialist. But the recent collapse of the Sanders candidacy suggests otherwise.

The problem not being that they don't lean left, which they do, but that they didn't come out to vote in enough numbers to offset the tide of boomer moderate voters.

[Isoko]

Eric,

You know I have debated how 'diverse' millennials really are and I must confess, having come from Britain, they don't exactly live what they preach. They prefer to self segregate although stick with the propaganda that diversity is good. They have the odd non-white friend in the group but usually live in their own majority communities.

Not sure what it is like in America of course but that seemingly seems to be the trend in the UK. It's kind of like an invisible apartheid the more I think about it.

Also I wouldn't say millennials are better informed. Most of them went to predominantly left wing universities and were told was is good and what is bad so they believe it. I tend to find that the Zoomers are better informed if I am honest and they are more centrist inclined with their views...

[Eric the Green]

(04-21-2020, 04:43 AM)Isoko Wrote: Eric,

You know I have debated how 'diverse' millennials really are and I must confess, having come from Britain, they don't exactly live what they preach. They prefer to self segregate although stick with the propaganda that diversity is good. They have the odd non-white friend in the group but usually live in their own majority communities.

Not sure what it is like in America of course but that seemingly seems to be the trend in the UK. It's kind of like an invisible apartheid the more I think about it.

Also I wouldn't say millennials are better informed. Most of them went to predominantly left wing universities and were told was is good and what is bad so they believe it. I tend to find that the Zoomers are better informed if I am honest and they are more centrist inclined with their views...

Millennials are certainly diverse in the demographic sense, whatever you may experience in Britain about what they preach. You have many cultural influences from places you have lived, apparently. Most people here like me have an American frame of reference. I can't debate you about what people in Britain and Russia think too well. I already posted the Pew surveys about what American Millennials and Gen Zers as Pew calls them (and we do not) think, and both groups are identical in their views and lean strongly left.

Going to a "left wing university," as conservatives call them, certainly means they are more well-informed. Millennials in general whether in college or not do have information about subjects that concern them, such as the poor opportunities they face, and climate change, guns and other threats to their future. Obviously you are not well-informed on climate change. You think the energy-system changes proposed necessarily mean cutbacks in our lifestyle and our economy.

[Isoko]

What tends to be the case on Britain is that the Millennials either live in lily white towns or villages or they self segregate themselves in the more multicultural cities such as London, like what is the case with the hipster effect. They will preach diversity but never seem to like living near it, go figure...

As for America, I also cannot comment too much on what is going on there as I have never been but from what I have been told, the same effects are at play with the self segregation although there are more mixed communities in America also based more on class then with race also.

In regards to university, what would we say about the Soviet system that told all students that Marxism-Leninism was great and was the way forward? Were they better informed? It seems to be Millennials are in the same boat...

Regarding climate change, it is happening and I do think we need to be more environmentally friendly. But I don't think it is going to be apocalyptic anytime soon and I think it will turn more slowly than what the left is preaching. I don't see how in my life time the planet is going to turn into a dust bowl. There will be changes but nothing major. Alot of it is just politics and social control. Ive read some of the stuff these greenies want to do and it is very totalitarian.

Be moderate but not radical when dealing with this. As for Millennials, like I said before, if the universities and mass media was heavily promoting white nationalisms, if Greta Thunberg was preaching about the end of white people as we know it, you could bet that the Millennials would be protesting in front of TV cameras for it. 

My point is they are a very collectivised generation and whatever the message, they will go and follow it.

[Blazkovitz]

(04-18-2020, 06:39 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: I plan to not side with anyone during the 2T. Why should I side with anyone when both sides would hate me? Why not just use my old age to relax? I have no time to deal with hostile morons and as the 4T lingers on this generation war is bullshit.

The 4T is not about a generation war, but about the culture war between Inclusivism and Nationalism. Both sides have people from all generations. I think the most important factor here is, apart from economics, the personality trait called Openness to Experience.

[Isoko]

Blazkovitz,

I think this 4T isn't just a cultural war but also the decline of a society and what is the best way forwards. It is interesting to note that the nationalist BRICs are doing better then the globalist West in this paradigm. So if the West does abandon globalism and retreats more into nationalism, it is going to be a cultural shock for the millennials in particular.

[AspieMillennial]

(04-21-2020, 04:43 AM)Isoko Wrote: Eric,

You know I have debated how 'diverse' millennials really are and I must confess, having come from Britain, they don't exactly live what they preach. They prefer to self segregate although stick with the propaganda that diversity is good. They have the odd non-white friend in the group but usually live in their own majority communities.

Not sure what it is like in America of course but that seemingly seems to be the trend in the UK. It's kind of like an invisible apartheid the more I think about it.

Also I wouldn't say millennials are better informed. Most of them went to predominantly left wing universities and were told was is good and what is bad so they believe it. I tend to find that the Zoomers are better informed if I am honest and they are more centrist inclined with their views...

So what should Millennials who don't agree with the consensus do? We have no allies because everyone assumes we don't exist. It pisses me off when Gen Z assumes I should be blamed for safe spaces I had nothing to do with. It made me more hardline and less compromising in my stances and also more of a lone wolf. I feel no alliance with any generation.