Inauguration of the movement against Trump and for Justice

[Galen]

(01-26-2017, 07:53 AM)Odin Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 03:12 AM)Galen Wrote: Actually, I rather enjoyed the part where the police swept them off the bridge and out of the intersections so that people could go about their business.  Sounds like city hall is tired of all of the complaints and wants to be re-elected at some point in the future.

So much for you being a Libertarian.

I have no problem with people protesting.  I would just prefer they didn't block traffic when they did it.

[Eric the Green]

Massive crowds have gathered at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport in protest of President Trump's executive order calling for a temporary immigration ban that led to the detainment of several refugees at the airport.

One of the detainees has since been released, but crowds have continued to grow.

[Eric the Green]

The courts still protect people and the law, at least for a while. What do ya'all think of this?





note: facebook videos don't work on firefox using earlier windows versions

[Odin]

(01-27-2017, 03:56 AM)Galen Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 07:53 AM)Odin Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 03:12 AM)Galen Wrote: Actually, I rather enjoyed the part where the police swept them off the bridge and out of the intersections so that people could go about their business.  Sounds like city hall is tired of all of the complaints and wants to be re-elected at some point in the future.

So much for you being a Libertarian.

I have no problem with people protesting.  I would just prefer they didn't block traffic when they did it.

MLK's marches blocked traffic all the time. Then again, most of you "Libertarians" are Segregationist racists who hate MLK, anyway.

[Galen]

(01-29-2017, 02:35 PM)Odin Wrote:

(01-27-2017, 03:56 AM)Galen Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 07:53 AM)Odin Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 03:12 AM)Galen Wrote: Actually, I rather enjoyed the part where the police swept them off the bridge and out of the intersections so that people could go about their business.  Sounds like city hall is tired of all of the complaints and wants to be re-elected at some point in the future.

So much for you being a Libertarian.

I have no problem with people protesting.  I would just prefer they didn't block traffic when they did it.

MLK's marches blocked traffic all the time. Then again, most of you "Libertarians" are Segregationist racists who hate MLK, anyway.

I have more of a problem with his economic views since he was stupid enough to think that socialism was a good idea.  Beyond that I don't have any particular opinion about him except that he should not have been blocking traffic.

[pbrower2a]

Galen -- Capitalism did not solve the injustice that African-Americans well knew. The slave system of the old South was based upon profits and losses, and the best way to get the greatest profits was to make slavery as exploitative as possible. After the Civil War, blacks did try capitalism -- only for white people of the South restoring all of the oppression of slavery except formal ownership.

I am fully satisfied that had Dr. King had to choose between capitalism with ethnic justice and a racist socialism he would have chosen the capitalist alternative.

Social democracy may be what we end up with after we see the failure of the capitalist order that we now know, and an even more spectacular failure of an attempt to return to the norms of early capitalism (the sort of capitalism in which workers are sweated for maximal profits). There might not be the opportunity for the common man to get filthy rich under social democracy as there is in the law-of-the-jungle capitalism that we know... but who wants to live in a jungle wither as the deer that the tiger dines upon or the tiger that if injured starves?

[Ragnarök_62]

(01-28-2017, 09:45 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The courts still protect people and the law, at least for a while. What do ya'all think of this?





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It doesn't work on my 'puter either.

[Ragnarök_62]

(01-27-2017, 03:56 AM)Galen Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 07:53 AM)Odin Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 03:12 AM)Galen Wrote: Actually, I rather enjoyed the part where the police swept them off the bridge and out of the intersections so that people could go about their business.  Sounds like city hall is tired of all of the complaints and wants to be re-elected at some point in the future.

So much for you being a Libertarian.

I have no problem with people protesting.  I would just prefer they didn't block traffic when they did it.

I think Cartoon Network needs to do a Copyright takedown on those stupid pink hats.




Note the boy in the white hat.



It's obvious these wahoos violated Cartoon Network's copyright.

[Ragnarök_62]

(01-27-2017, 03:56 AM)Galen Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 07:53 AM)Odin Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 03:12 AM)Galen Wrote: Actually, I rather enjoyed the part where the police swept them off the bridge and out of the intersections so that people could go about their business.  Sounds like city hall is tired of all of the complaints and wants to be re-elected at some point in the future.

So much for you being a Libertarian.

I have no problem with people protesting.  I would just prefer they didn't block traffic when they did it.

I think Cartoon Network needs to do a Copyright takedown on those stupid pink hats.




Note the boy in the white hat.



It's obvious these wahoos violated Cartoon Network's copyright.

[Marypoza]

(01-24-2017, 12:37 PM)Skabungus Wrote: I did not attend the marches.  I was in a media blackout with 50 odd Girl Scouts in the middle of the woods in central Michigan.  It was nice to have a break from the constant buzz and to spend time with my daughter and her little friends.  

I however have marched many times.  In the 1980's I was an organizer for the marches against apartheid and on human rights in Central America, so I am quite familiar with the process of organizing, staging and then the after effects of such happenings.

I am seeing the steady stream of right wing dismissals of the march, discounting the event, writing it off as a waste of time.  I expect that.  Even lefties who have never participated in such events tend to discount them as a flash in the pan, and ask "what now?".  I contend such folks are totally missing the point.

Certainly the impact of a national (and in this case global) march of this magnitude makes a clear statement on what the participants think of the current state of affairs.  The fact that so many showed should make clear that the right wing agenda has some vocal critics, willing to put their feet where their feelings are.  They made a statement, they made a mark, and policy makers have no choice but to acknowledge their existence.  Still, that is not the point, or even close to the total value impact of the march.

Marches bring thousands of people together for a shared common experience that serves to galvanize their beliefs, solidify their political stance and accelerate their activism.  In reality marches are like giant organizing meetings wherein people make connections; discuss and refine positions; share organizing tips; expand and diversify their networks; gain strategies; gain power; give support and on and on.  Marches are not only a marker of public opinion at a point in time, they are even more so a point of departure from which a movement grows.  They represent the beginnings, not the end.

In the 1980's I learned more about becoming a good organizer by standing with a sign in the freezing rain, than I had ever learned working with my local group.  I met hundreds of people that were so unlike me, and ended up making them my friends and allies.  I would never have imagined I'd become life long friends with an Episcopal priest, or an Columbian accountant, but we are friends and organizers to this day.   Marches galvanize people to causes.  Marches increase the organizing, networking and movement making capacity of all involved.  

In the 1980's we had to use pay phones and walkie talkies, and Kodak cameras.  We wrote letters and mailed them, and we lobbied our politicians in person.  We were effective and we were successful.  Modern connectivity brought about by the digital age will make exponential improvements in movement making.

Those who state that marches are pointless, miss the point entirely.  Marches are the planting ground of movements.  As such they are made up of many things the full spectrum of which will only be known in the future.

The fuse is lit.  Thanks ladies.

-- considering the turnout l wouldn't call it a dismal failure...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/24/the-womens-march-was-a-dismal-failure-and-a-hopeful-sign/

[Eric the Green]

One of the biggest, if not the biggest demonstrations in American and world history can only be called a great success.

Much more is needed, especially something (I don't know what) to pull rust belt swing voters at all levels away from neo-liberal Reaganomics and xenophobia, and convince them which side their interests lie on when elections come.

And yes Marypoza, the Democrats have to do a better job of explaining and advocating for those people.

[pbrower2a]

What will pull the working-class people of the Midwest and South back to the Democrats? Abject failure of the Republicans to create prosperity.

I had a discussion with my brother on how much we spend on intellectual property. If you think that the most expensive appliance in your house (probably a refrigerator) is expensive, then think of how much money you might spend upon music. Divide the cost of a $700 refrigerator by fourteen years, and you are paying $50 a year for buying the refrigerator. That's as much as you pay for ten cheap CDs from the $5 bin (of stale hits) at Wal*Mart -- and surely you buy something more current and higher-priced. Got a TV? You can easily spend as much on cable or satellite TV in a year than you can on the purchase price of the TV. Or recorded movies. The only intellectual property that you are probably spending less on is books -- if you are downloading them free of charge from Project Gutenberg. I can enjoy a good novel -- but it had better be great, and in general the best ones are now public domain.

I was amazed to discover that Paul McCartney has an estimated worth of $1.2 billion... that's right -- BILLION. Fifty years later, people are still buying Beatles albums, and they are not in the $5 bin at Wal*Mart. Dolly Parton, who is practically a joke? $500 million.

The big money is now in creativity -- and not so much in making stuff.

But even if your creativity isn't commercial-grade, you can leave something to be cherished. Do your own art or music.

[Bronsin]

Where are all the pictures of these political geniuses dressed up as giant vaginas? Too ashamed to post them I bet. These mental midgets are the face of your movement, and you still can't figure out why your side lost LMAO

[pbrower2a]

(01-31-2017, 06:51 AM)Bronsin Wrote: Where are all the pictures of these political geniuses dressed up as giant vaginas? Too ashamed to post them I bet. These mental midgets are the face of your movement, and you still can't figure out why your side lost LMAO

Bad taste -- sure. But it was also bad taste for a Presidential nominee to say that he "grabbed women by their (vaginas, to use the proper word)"... I've seen images of the President's dwelling before being elected President, and it is a monument to bad taste, something I would expect from a mobster.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...atues.html

The taste that I would expect of a very successful... mobster.

I looked at that and got sick to my stomach. No, it isn't out of concern for starving children in Haiti or something to that effect; it's about wretched excess that causes me to retch. Real good taste has no room for excess, and it recognizes that one can have too much gold. I have known rich people.. and they know the rule. Avoid clutter, and create the image of spaciousness. Don't try to dazzle people. Keep things subtle.

[Eric the Green]

Trump has great talent as a marketing genius and a speaker who can arouse the people (demagogue). As a family-business man he is unethical and not always successful (mobster). This questionable business and oratorical success is not transferable (necessarily) to political skills.

[Eric the Green]

Another protest is brewing as Drump announces his reactionary Supreme Court nominee, at the federal courthouse nearest you. 9 PM tonight, 6 pacific, etc.

Meanwhile Democrats have started to do what they should obviously do: just walk out of these committee hearings for Drump's fascist appointments so no vote can be held. Come on Democrats, you should have done this for ALL of his nominees! Shut the place down!! Too late now to avoid the Exxon takeover of our State Dept.

Meanwhile, this little news item. Monday night massacre?

Quote:Sally Yates is now a martyr for the anti-Trump movement. But legally speaking, it's more complicated.
Washington Post - ‎59 minutes ago‎
Now-former acting attorney general Sally Yates cemented her place in liberal lore Monday by declining to enforce President Trump's travel ban, which opponents believe is unconstitutional and un-American.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/d...f-justice/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...mplicated/

[Eric the Green]

Mr. Trump, don't build this wall!

[Odin]

(01-31-2017, 12:09 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 06:51 AM)Bronsin Wrote: Where are all the pictures of these political geniuses dressed up as giant vaginas? Too ashamed to post them I bet. These mental midgets are the face of your movement, and you still can't figure out why your side lost LMAO

And you'd be wrong. You need to read a few threads here. I'm not going to abet your sloth and give you a link. You can go find the pic yourself.

BTW - you are really nasty and mean. I take you you've never read any Dale Carnegie books.

And before you launch into any SJW or special snowflake bullshit, just FYI, Carnegie wrote during the 20s and 30s. He lived a tough life.

Bronsin must either be a maladjusted teenager, or at least have the emotional maturity of one. He sounds just like the teenage fascists on Reddit who joke about how all feminists are ugly and fat, indicating that they never leave their parents basement and everything they "know" about women and feminists comes from the internet.

[Dan '82]

please try to avoid personal attacks.

[SomeGuy]

(01-31-2017, 10:22 PM)nihilist moron Wrote: Did anyone else notice that our new prez managed to turn a Supreme Court nomination into an episode of The Bachelor? He's moved on from reality TV star to reality TV producer.

Movin' on up!