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(11-09-2016, 08:10 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:05 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (11-09-2016, 07:52 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 07:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Oh, by the way -- I expect America to become a grimmer, drearier, and more joyless place for those not already rich. That is how plutocracy works.
So basically nothing will change.
Not quite. It will accelerate.
I expect the Republican Party and the economic elites behind it to do everything possible to maintain power and leave any ideological alternative, including a humanistic liberalism, blocked out of relevance indefinitely.
In the end the pathology makes a socialist insurrection possible in the event of a crop failure (like global warming that isn't happening), an economic meltdown, or a war for profits going badly
One Yuge problem with that theory bro. The GOP elites hate Trump and Trump's base. They will be absorbed by the Democrats most likely because the party's have switched coats again. I would have thought you'd have noticed that she sounded like the Goldwater girl she always was and he sounds like a Jack Kennedy Democrat.
Trump would combine Hitler and Lincoln in the same sentence if he could get away with it.
Donald Trump will quickly turn upon the 'deplorable' people that voted him. He no longer needs them. He will suck up to the 'Establishment' types who have money and media that the common man do not have. After all it is easier to force low wages and brutal management upon working people than it is to deliver those wages.
It never fails. The GOP elites are loyal only to lucre.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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(11-09-2016, 08:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Trump would combine Hitler and Lincoln in the same sentence if he could get away with it.
Donald Trump will quickly turn upon the 'deplorable' people that voted him. He no longer needs them. He will suck up to the 'Establishment' types who have money and media that the common man do not have. After all it is easier to force low wages and brutal management upon working people than it is to deliver those wages.
It never fails. The GOP elites are loyal only to lucre.
Do you actually think about the things you write before you write them?
1. Combining Lincoln with Hitler is easy. I imagine both liked mashed potatoes. As do I. Am I Hitler? No. Am I Lincoln? No. But of the two he's far closer to Lincoln than Hitler.
2. Trump doesn't need their money. He didn't take it to win office, and he doesn't need it now. The man is disgustingly rich. What are they going to offer him? He already has everything a man could possibly want.
3. Limiting the supply of labor by enforcing immigration laws and protecting native industry will raise wages and aid in labor organization, not the reverse. If anything his plan is actually against his own class interests. We had an other president who was a traitor to his class, I bet you think the sun shines out of his crippled ass.
4. Who says the GOP elites are going to stay in the GOP. The elites go to which ever party represents their interests. They could care less if the mascot is an elephant or a donkey.
The fact is that I posted many ages ago on this forum, and on the old one that I thought that Trump was the GC, assuming the GC must be a political leader. The fact is that history has already vindicated my position and is vindicating my position. The Republic was saved on 8th November 2016.
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Well brower is right of course, but I was wrong in my prediction (non-astrological) from the early years of the forum, that HRC would be the gray champion. That dream is over. Now we get a nightmare.
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(11-09-2016, 07:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (11-09-2016, 01:26 PM)radind Wrote: (11-09-2016, 01:16 PM)taramarie Wrote: Guys, the world is not laughing. The world is disgusted and terrified. There is nothing to laugh at here.
A little patience. In my view the USA will be better without Clinton.
I expect Trump to be better than many anticipate.
He will 'not be that bad' because he won't be able to get away with some of his campaign rhetoric. Much of America fears Donald Trump, and such fears as many have will not be implemented.
In the event of a really nasty meltdown of the economy, many illegal aliens will self-deport. This will be far more effective than any deportation force.
I expect a Trump Administration to be a worker's nightmare as the Reactionary Party will finally get to pass a nationwide Right to Work law that will eviscerate unions. Workplace safety will deteriorate severely, with more people dying or being crippled on the job. It will also be a bane of those with environmental concerns, as he will almost certainly be the best possible friend of polluters.
I see him as very much a divider, largely because he will force liberals and Democrats into irrelevance for at least his first term.
I predict that the gains of minorities in economic results will stall, with many young adults finding no roles for them. I predict that we will have riots at least as bad as those of the '60s -- and Donald Trump and Republican governors will over-react.
Can one lead by ensuring that 45% of the electorate can remain permanently irrelevant? Maybe . If so, then America will steadily degenerate. In some places on the periphery, liberals will seek independence... and get it. But that suggests a Yugoslav-style breakup, something very possible in a 4T. It would take only a few years for a large state like California to secede from America.
I'm ready to go soon. California had the largest Democratic vote for president of any state besides Hawaii this year. We delivered a big fuck you repudiation to the fuck-you repudiator that the heartland elected.
And if fortunes change and Trump is voted out in 2020, I'm ready to let Texas secede to its heart's content, and any other state that wants to go.
Smaller is beautiful. We don't need this crazy thing called the USA anymore. We can't get along, and it's too big for the people to handle. Brexit-plus!
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(11-09-2016, 08:26 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Trump would combine Hitler and Lincoln in the same sentence if he could get away with it.
Donald Trump will quickly turn upon the 'deplorable' people that voted him. He no longer needs them. He will suck up to the 'Establishment' types who have money and media that the common man do not have. After all it is easier to force low wages and brutal management upon working people than it is to deliver those wages.
It never fails. The GOP elites are loyal only to lucre.
Do you actually think about the things you write before you write them?
1. Combining Lincoln with Hitler is easy. I imagine both liked mashed potatoes. As do I. Am I Hitler? No. Am I Lincoln? No. But of the two he's far closer to Lincoln than Hitler.
2. Trump doesn't need their money. He didn't take it to win office, and he doesn't need it now. The man is disgustingly rich. What are they going to offer him? He already has everything a man could possibly want.
3. Limiting the supply of labor by enforcing immigration laws and protecting native industry will raise wages and aid in labor organization, not the reverse. If anything his plan is actually against his own class interests. We had an other president who was a traitor to his class, I bet you think the sun shines out of his crippled ass.
4. Who says the GOP elites are going to stay in the GOP. The elites go to which ever party represents their interests. They could care less if the mascot is an elephant or a donkey.
The fact is that I posted many ages ago on this forum, and on the old one that I thought that Trump was the GC, assuming the GC must be a political leader. The fact is that history has already vindicated my position and is vindicating my position. The Republic was saved on 8th November 2016.
KInser, you're still working awful hard to try to make yourself look smart. It's not working.
Yours wasn't a prediction; it was a desperate hope.
Trump isn't about money per se. He's about domination. Take Bill Gates and Warren Buffet together and they come no where near the power and capacity to dominate this world as the POTUS. He literally will have in his power to end all sentiment life on this planet in a manner of moments. If you think Trump is free to do good, however you want to define that, because he's rich and doesn't have to abide to any one for money, you are probable one of the most clueless people on this forum.
If we survive this, the GC will be the one that takes away the awesome power that you morons handed over to the orange anus clown.
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(11-09-2016, 05:42 PM)Marypoza Wrote: (11-09-2016, 05:22 PM)taramarie Wrote: (11-09-2016, 04:54 PM)Danilynn Wrote: (11-09-2016, 01:56 PM)taramarie Wrote: (11-09-2016, 01:26 PM)radind Wrote: [quote='taramarie' pid='11830' dateline='1478715407']
Guys, the world is not laughing. The world is disgusted and terrified. There is nothing to laugh at here.
A little patience. In my view the USA will be better without Clinton.
I expect Trump to be better than many anticipate.
Stuff either of them. I wanted Bernie.
-- me too honey, me too
Quote:Really isn't about what you wanted, considering you aren't even an American or legal to vote here. It is NOT a global government system. No other country gets a say in our electorate process.
You really have ot been paying attention to my posts have you? I said the same about Russia trying to push for Trump. But I do get to have an opinion about who I wish was the president. It does not affect who actually gets in.
-- unfortunately the DNC screwed Bernie over. Now we're all paying for it. karma's a bitch
That said, the Donald is against the TPP, he is not picking a fight with Russia & he wants us out of the Middle East. He sez he'll get rid of obummercrap, but l'll settle for him making it optional. I didn't vote for his ass but l can stomach it for the next 4 yrs. (Hopefully Congress will flip in 2018 & it will only be 2yrs. ) little Marco or big Ted, not so much. Those 2 creeps will not be running in 2020 (assuming the Donald wants a 2nd term) so hopefully their presidential aspirations will be crushed for good. Hopefully gbe Dems will get serious in 2020. They were obviously playing this yr or they'd of run Bernie
Yes. The Dems of course were not only the politicians and bosses but the voters. Bernie might have beaten Trump, because he could have outflanked some of the upset in the mid-west.
Unfortunately the Middle East will keep biting us, because of what we either did or failed to do. Even Trump says we live in a world community. We can't avoid the consequences of our past actions in other countries. Syria remains the worst bomb ever thrown into that world community. The refugee stream will continue and perhaps accelerate. In response, nationalism and racism will grow in Europe along with America, and people will die. More war beckons.
Little Marco may well be back, if not in 2020 then 2024, or if he can't resonate with Saturn, in 2028. He won't win. Big Ted I think is toast.
The New Moon before election method, and my point system, were both right, because the New Moon predicts the popular vote winner (which was Hillary). So that's how we got Trump, because he was the stronger candidate on my point system.
Since the new moon before the 2020 election day forecasts an incumbent win, Trump is likely to win it, because it forecasts a popular vote win, and the electoral college win will be even greater for Trump, as it was this year. So likely, he can't lose. California gave both Gore and Hillary Clinton the popular vote win, with an electoral college loss; CA won't do that for Trump.
Unless I'm all wrong, of course.
I wrote in my new book (which I may give up on now) that Jeb Bush might be re-elected in 2020, and I think I laid out that scenario here too. That's when I thought Bush had a higher score than he does, and Trump was not running yet or a sure thing yet. Later in early 2016 I predicted his nomination. It looks like, if the new moon works again, that we may see Trump re-elected in 2020. Congress will not turn over until 2022. That's the 6th year of a term; usually a disaster for the party in power (unless it's a Democrat; these days it happens to them in the 2nd year). So Trump will play the part I originally saw for Jeb Bush.
The 2022 turnover in congress will be so drastic, that Trump will be a figurehead unless he cooperates. This will be a cosmic Aquarian festival of reform. Aquarius is the sign of the legislature. The Democrats will take over the White House too in 2024, and this election will be a spark that lights off a secession scramble or rebellion. It will be quashed in a couple of years, and the 1T will proceed soon after. A conservative party will likely take over then. That's what it looks like now. At least Trump's election makes things a bit clearer. How the candidates score on my system of course makes a difference. But though the Democrats have some good potential candidates, they may not be enough to overcome both Trump with his 8-4 score, and the new moon that forecasts an incumbent victory in 2020 in the popular vote.
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(11-09-2016, 08:52 PM)playwrite Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:26 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Trump would combine Hitler and Lincoln in the same sentence if he could get away with it.
Donald Trump will quickly turn upon the 'deplorable' people that voted him. He no longer needs them. He will suck up to the 'Establishment' types who have money and media that the common man do not have. After all it is easier to force low wages and brutal management upon working people than it is to deliver those wages.
It never fails. The GOP elites are loyal only to lucre.
Do you actually think about the things you write before you write them?
1. Combining Lincoln with Hitler is easy. I imagine both liked mashed potatoes. As do I. Am I Hitler? No. Am I Lincoln? No. But of the two he's far closer to Lincoln than Hitler.
2. Trump doesn't need their money. He didn't take it to win office, and he doesn't need it now. The man is disgustingly rich. What are they going to offer him? He already has everything a man could possibly want.
3. Limiting the supply of labor by enforcing immigration laws and protecting native industry will raise wages and aid in labor organization, not the reverse. If anything his plan is actually against his own class interests. We had an other president who was a traitor to his class, I bet you think the sun shines out of his crippled ass.
4. Who says the GOP elites are going to stay in the GOP. The elites go to which ever party represents their interests. They could care less if the mascot is an elephant or a donkey.
The fact is that I posted many ages ago on this forum, and on the old one that I thought that Trump was the GC, assuming the GC must be a political leader. The fact is that history has already vindicated my position and is vindicating my position. The Republic was saved on 8th November 2016.
KInser, you're still working awful hard to try to make yourself look smart. It's not working.
Still at the projection I see. Some things never change.
Quote:Yours wasn't a prediction; it was a desperate hope.
Nope it was a prediction. Thinking that Hillary Clinton had a chance when she had already been rejected by her own party once was a desperate hope though.
Quote:Trump isn't about money per se. He's about domination. Take Bill Gates and Warren Buffet together and they come no where near the power and capacity to dominate this world as the POTUS. He literally will have in his power to end all sentiment life on this planet in a manner of moments. If you think Trump is free to do good, however you want to define that, because he's rich and doesn't have to abide to any one for money, you are probable one of the most clueless people on this forum.
Trump doesn't have to do good. He simply has to not be evil and that will be good enough. Since he is not evil, and indeed defeated evil he has already demonstrated he is at least good for that.
Quote:If we survive this, the GC will be the one that takes away the awesome power that you morons handed over to the orange anus clown.
Yes, and the Establishment also backed John Quincy Adams too. Trump is a man cut from Old Hickory's cloth, like in the age of Jackson men will be proud one day in the future to say they were born in the Age of Trump.
But by all means continue with your projecting and pseudo-intellectualism.
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(11-09-2016, 08:52 PM)playwrite Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:26 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Trump would combine Hitler and Lincoln in the same sentence if he could get away with it.
Donald Trump will quickly turn upon the 'deplorable' people that voted him. He no longer needs them. He will suck up to the 'Establishment' types who have money and media that the common man do not have. After all it is easier to force low wages and brutal management upon working people than it is to deliver those wages.
It never fails. The GOP elites are loyal only to lucre.
Do you actually think about the things you write before you write them?
1. Combining Lincoln with Hitler is easy. I imagine both liked mashed potatoes. As do I. Am I Hitler? No. Am I Lincoln? No. But of the two he's far closer to Lincoln than Hitler.
2. Trump doesn't need their money. He didn't take it to win office, and he doesn't need it now. The man is disgustingly rich. What are they going to offer him? He already has everything a man could possibly want.
3. Limiting the supply of labor by enforcing immigration laws and protecting native industry will raise wages and aid in labor organization, not the reverse. If anything his plan is actually against his own class interests. We had an other president who was a traitor to his class, I bet you think the sun shines out of his crippled ass.
4. Who says the GOP elites are going to stay in the GOP. The elites go to which ever party represents their interests. They could care less if the mascot is an elephant or a donkey.
The fact is that I posted many ages ago on this forum, and on the old one that I thought that Trump was the GC, assuming the GC must be a political leader. The fact is that history has already vindicated my position and is vindicating my position. The Republic was saved on 8th November 2016.
KInser, you're still working awful hard to try to make yourself look smart. It's not working.
Yours wasn't a prediction; it was a desperate hope.
Trump isn't about money per se. He's about domination. Take Bill Gates and Warren Buffet together and they come no where near the power and capacity to dominate this world as the POTUS. He literally will have in his power to end all sentiment life on this planet in a manner of moments. If you think Trump is free to do good, however you want to define that, because he's rich and doesn't have to abide to any one for money, you are probable one of the most clueless people on this forum.
Oh I think he qualified for that distinction quite some time ago.
Quote:If we survive this, the GC will be the one that takes away the awesome power that you morons handed over to the orange anus clown.
That would be correct.
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(11-09-2016, 09:17 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:11 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (11-09-2016, 07:57 PM)Danilynn Wrote: Nah that music was fitting in 2012. Today we need ragtime jazz or swing.
It depends upon your politics. Please!
Can you really excuse a crotch-grabbing rake? A businessman who stiffs subcontractors? Someone who dredges gutter racism that most of us thought outmoded?
Donald Trump is three things that history shows can destroy democracy -- a demagogue, a sociopath, and a kleptocrat. One is enough, and even Hitler was only two of the three. Trump is all three.
All in all, I now wish that Mitt Romney had won in 2012. We would thus be spared the four-year nightmare that we now face. I wish that I could emigrate today.
To the Trump voter it does not matter. Trump touted (or purported to tout) the virtues of the "real American" (meaning, anti-intellectual, Anglo-Saxon traditionalist or, those from other backgrounds who normed to that). To be clear, I have railed against intellectuals at times - read Paul Johnson's "Intellectuals" for that reference point. Nonetheless, to reject intellectualism outright is dumb, and makes us all weaker in sum total. So, I will fight for the intellectual, just like I will for the lower educated worker and anyone in between. In any case, not only did he tout the anti-intellectual "real American," he also slimed the "uppity" urbane, slightly bitchy, moderne woman of power. (Bear with me, I'm working some archetypes here). Clinton fit the bill. He also sliimed the dapper, well educated, half American half Kenyan sophisticate. "Where's the birth certificate?" Vile stereotypes resonate with the masses of angry, overworked, downscaled, especially if they hail in some fashion from the Anglo-Saxon traditionalist or Northern variant, the formerly well paid white "ethnic" (e.g. 58 Flat's "hardhats"). "Wow, a politician who talks like me and my buds getting drunk! Speaking truth to power! YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!"
https://youtu.be/VZEXEItKND0?t=7m44s
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(11-09-2016, 09:18 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Oh I think he qualified for that distinction quite some time ago.
No Eric, that dubious distinction belongs solely to you. I occasionally meet with reality at least more frequently than once about 40 years ago.
Quote:That would be correct.
No there are two traditions in this country. One is collectivist and Federalist-Whig the other is Jeffersonian-Jacksonian and individualist. We know which Daddy is, it isn't the Whig tradition.
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(11-09-2016, 09:22 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:36 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Well brower is right of course, but I was wrong in my prediction (non-astrological) from the early years of the forum, that HRC would be the gray champion. That dream is over. Now we get a nightmare.
We're not ready for the grey champion. We are not beat down enough yet. After some thermonuclear wafare, I predict many will be ready.
Wrong. The GC arrives when he is needed. After a thermonuclear war he would be irrelevant.
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(11-09-2016, 08:10 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:05 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (11-09-2016, 07:52 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 07:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Oh, by the way -- I expect America to become a grimmer, drearier, and more joyless place for those not already rich. That is how plutocracy works.
So basically nothing will change.
Not quite. It will accelerate.
I expect the Republican Party and the economic elites behind it to do everything possible to maintain power and leave any ideological alternative, including a humanistic liberalism, blocked out of relevance indefinitely.
In the end the pathology makes a socialist insurrection possible in the event of a crop failure (like global warming that isn't happening), an economic meltdown, or a war for profits going badly
One Yuge problem with that theory bro. The GOP elites hate Trump and Trump's base. They will be absorbed by the Democrats most likely because the party's have switched coats again. I would have thought you'd have noticed that she sounded like the Goldwater girl she always was and he sounds like a Jack Kennedy Democrat.
-- b4 the Donald ran 4 prez he was a Dem
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(11-09-2016, 09:38 PM)Marypoza Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:10 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:05 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (11-09-2016, 07:52 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 07:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Oh, by the way -- I expect America to become a grimmer, drearier, and more joyless place for those not already rich. That is how plutocracy works.
So basically nothing will change.
Not quite. It will accelerate.
I expect the Republican Party and the economic elites behind it to do everything possible to maintain power and leave any ideological alternative, including a humanistic liberalism, blocked out of relevance indefinitely.
In the end the pathology makes a socialist insurrection possible in the event of a crop failure (like global warming that isn't happening), an economic meltdown, or a war for profits going badly
One Yuge problem with that theory bro. The GOP elites hate Trump and Trump's base. They will be absorbed by the Democrats most likely because the party's have switched coats again. I would have thought you'd have noticed that she sounded like the Goldwater girl she always was and he sounds like a Jack Kennedy Democrat.
-- b4 the Donald ran 4 prez he was a Dem
More specifically -- the Republican Party needs the votes, It will never get them from humanistic liberals unless the Democrats nominate someone as cranky as Trump.
Donald Trump will quickly go to the orthodox part of the Republican party upon inauguration. He will not be seeking votes until 2020... so he can betray his erstwhile supporters at will as he does everything that the Corporate wing wants, transforming America into a pure plutocracy that entrenches power forever and ensures that liberals will be forever irrelevant in American political life.
Expect this horrible man to include hypocrisy and betrayal among his repertory of evil. He no more cares about the common man than he cares about a sea anemone. He might as well say "Suffer for my greed, peons!" after he is inaugurated.
2018 should be a slam-dunk tor Republicans with the likeli9hood of picking up a couple of Senate seats and maybe some House seats due to low turnout by people who have largely lost faith in the American political process.
I have no faith in 2020. Democracy in America that depends upon a contest of ideas could be dead that year and afterward. From then on we might as well be a single-party dictatorship until the dissolution of the USA, most likely in World War III.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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I look forward to the Trump Presidency as if it were a penal term.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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Protests are springing up, the "beginning of the anti-Trump resistance." For some of them, once he's in office, a penal term may be what they literally face.
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(11-10-2016, 02:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Protests are springing up, the "beginning of the anti-Trump resistance." For some of them, once he's in office, a penal term may be what they literally face.
Through the presidential campaign period, I've thought the Trump campaign was behind a racist and sexist spiral of rhetoric with some violence. Black Lives Matter had another such spiral going, for the most part unrelated. I hadn't been too worried about either spiral under my "It takes two to spiral" theory. Things are most apt to escalate if words or violence by one side inspires the other side to even more virulent words or violence in response. The spiral grows out of control when one side tries to establish firm dominance and intimidation over the other.
The "not my president" movement might become the other side of a spiral opposing Trump's southern strategy stuff. Thus far NMP is more marching and chanting, no riots. However, I would rate it as a notable development.
In Clinton 42's time, the Waco - Ruby Ridge - OKC spiral died out after new rules of engagement were given to federal law enforcement agencies. The FBI, BATF and others were to avoid use of force when dealing with right wing militia and religious groups. It is possible that Trump will not use the same approach. He gets angry at opposition and tends to lash out. If there is a denial of First Amendment rights to speech and protest, this could irk a lot of folk big time. The word 'fascist' has been thrown around lightly in my opinion, but suppressing protests might justify it, even in my eyes.
Just something to watch.
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(11-09-2016, 09:38 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- b4 the Donald ran 4 prez he was a Dem
The same with Reagan. In both cases the Democratic Party left its traditional base. I expect we'll see in both cases that the Democratic Party spends at least a quarter century in the political wilderness. Assuming it surives of course. The glue holding it together is thin and its factions are ripping it apart.
RINOs jumping ship won't help matters.
(11-10-2016, 01:04 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: More specifically -- the Republican Party needs the votes, It will never get them from humanistic liberals unless the Democrats nominate someone as cranky as Trump.
Donald Trump will quickly go to the orthodox part of the Republican party upon inauguration. He will not be seeking votes until 2020... so he can betray his erstwhile supporters at will as he does everything that the Corporate wing wants, transforming America into a pure plutocracy that entrenches power forever and ensures that liberals will be forever irrelevant in American political life.
Expect this horrible man to include hypocrisy and betrayal among his repertory of evil. He no more cares about the common man than he cares about a sea anemone. He might as well say "Suffer for my greed, peons!" after he is inaugurated.
2018 should be a slam-dunk tor Republicans with the likeli9hood of picking up a couple of Senate seats and maybe some House seats due to low turnout by people who have largely lost faith in the American political process.
I have no faith in 2020. Democracy in America that depends upon a contest of ideas could be dead that year and afterward. From then on we might as well be a single-party dictatorship until the dissolution of the USA, most likely in World War III.
All of the other predictions about Trump not coming from his supporters have thus far turned out false. Given your record, I expect not terrible things from him. The establishment GOP was running scared of his wave and I expect he will have to use all his momentum to keep it going. While I expect a second term I don't think he'll finish the second term, He'd be 74 in 2020, and you're forgetting there are mid terms coming up. The Never-Trump senators will be up and they will either fall in line or get screwed over at the polls.
The thing that I don't think you, and many others realize, is Daddy isn't a conservative. Couldn't be since he garnered over half the Bernie supporters. He is instead a Civic Nationalist and the new alignment will be one of Cosmopolitanism vs Nationalism.
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(11-09-2016, 08:36 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Well brower is right of course, but I was wrong in my prediction (non-astrological) from the early years of the forum, that HRC would be the gray champion. That dream is over. Now we get a nightmare.
Hateful condescension from big city folks like you helped create this nightmare, Eric. I sure hope you are happy. 
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(11-09-2016, 09:17 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: (11-09-2016, 08:11 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (11-09-2016, 07:57 PM)Danilynn Wrote: Nah that music was fitting in 2012. Today we need ragtime jazz or swing.
It depends upon your politics. Please!
Can you really excuse a crotch-grabbing rake? A businessman who stiffs subcontractors? Someone who dredges gutter racism that most of us thought outmoded?
Donald Trump is three things that history shows can destroy democracy -- a demagogue, a sociopath, and a kleptocrat. One is enough, and even Hitler was only two of the three. Trump is all three.
All in all, I now wish that Mitt Romney had won in 2012. We would thus be spared the four-year nightmare that we now face. I wish that I could emigrate today.
To the Trump voter it does not matter. Trump touted (or purported to tout) the virtues of the "real American" (meaning, anti-intellectual, Anglo-Saxon traditionalist or, those from other backgrounds who normed to that). To be clear, I have railed against intellectuals at times - read Paul Johnson's "Intellectuals" for that reference point. Nonetheless, to reject intellectualism outright is dumb, and makes us all weaker in sum total. So, I will fight for the intellectual, just like I will for the lower educated worker and anyone in between. In any case, not only did he tout the anti-intellectual "real American," he also slimed the "uppity" urbane, slightly bitchy, moderne woman of power. (Bear with me, I'm working some archetypes here). Clinton fit the bill. He also sliimed the dapper, well educated, half American half Kenyan sophisticate. "Where's the birth certificate?" Vile stereotypes resonate with the masses of angry, overworked, downscaled, especially if they hail in some fashion from the Anglo-Saxon traditionalist or Northern variant, the formerly well paid white "ethnic" (e.g. 58 Flat's "hardhats"). "Wow, a politician who talks like me and my buds getting drunk! Speaking truth to power! YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!"
Any questions?
Don't forget a lot of rhetoric on the activist Left essentially implying that it would be best if working class white people simply ceased to exist.
The Culture Wars never ended, they morphed into a more virulent and potentially violent form, the Demographic Wars. Each half of the country hates the other half for merely existing.
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(11-09-2016, 09:16 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Yes, and the Establishment also backed John Quincy Adams too. Trump is a man cut from Old Hickory's cloth, like in the age of Jackson men will be proud one day in the future to say they were born in the Age of Trump.
But by all means continue with your projecting and pseudo-intellectualism.
Jackson caused an economic depression that most economic historians believe was worse than that of the 1930s- his legacy is protected by the lack of modern economic indicators; otherwise, he would likely hold the number one or two spots of the worse Presidents (2nd or 3rd, once Trump is done with us)>
What's happened in the last 48 hours? I've added about a half a million in personal wealth and the trust that I'm a board member, millions. You?
That's because the financial elites see what's coming is tax cuts that will, by far, mostly benefit them particularly repatriation; deregulation that will in particular unleash the big banks again; and financial asset inflation that will woo the gullible public, worried about keeping-up, back into riskier and riskier assets - first, the equity markets but eventually they'll unleash the mortgage-making sweatshops and blow-up the RE bubble again. The churn, baby, the churn.
Then comes the longer term promised stuff like Trump's Smoot-Hawley tariffs on steroids. Much of it will not actually happen, but the mere possibilities will roll the markets and trigger something much worse than an economy barely moving because of a lack of demand (note - for those with functioning brains, see automation and income disparity, you think any of that is going to change?). Don't worry, the elites will have plenty of warning and gas the markets just enough to get even the most conservative savers left fully invested and holding the bag. Then, when the bubble bursts, its pennies on the dollar as they carpetbag the rubes, and another big spike in widening the gap - funny how that happens under every GOP Administration.
You, and the other country bumpkins, will be wondering what happened, again. Where's my job that I was promised, man? Where is that big raise I was promised by the Donald? Why doesn't anyone in government (much smaller now) care? Didn't Breitbart promise Nirvana??? It must be the big evil government! Obamacare! Benghazi! Thanks, Obama! Oh wait, those are not there any more.
There'll be a few of you that will fall off the turnip truck and look around perhaps for the first time at reality. But there's a huge industry, funded by the financial elites, that's going to keep you telling yourself that its just another "Other," another boogeyman Libitard doing evil on ya, I tells ya!
Sometimes I wish I wasn't a bleeding heart Liberal and could instead just sit back and enjoy the show... and the money. But, its just such a hassle to change political party.
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