Let's make fun of Trump, bash him, etc. while we can!

[pbrower2a]

[Eric the Green]

Horoscope scores:
Bill Clinton 25-2
George W Bush 19-2
Barack Obama 18-3
Donald Drumpf the Bitch 9-4

[pbrower2a]

It's not nice to knock losers -- unless they were obnoxious in victory. In such a case they are fair game.

[Eric the Green]

Jimmy Fallon presents Trump's concession speech!

[Eric the Green]

Now that's a long transition! And what a conspiracy!

[pbrower2a]

Why do I expect to see an anvil falling onto Wile E. Coyote within a couple seconds?

[Bob Butler 54]

(11-20-2020, 12:15 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Why do I expect to see an anvil falling onto Wile E. Coyote within a couple seconds?

Only one anvil?  But there are two worthy targets.  

[David Horn]

(11-20-2020, 08:35 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(11-20-2020, 12:15 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Why do I expect to see an anvil falling onto Wile E. Coyote within a couple seconds?

Only one anvil?  But there are two worthy targets.  

Big anvil!

[pbrower2a]

[Eric the Green]

This thread will be less active, now that we seem to have survived the Trump era, almost. Will we miss all the humor? Well, let Seth and John tell us about that! Whatever will they do now??





John Blows up 2020
https://youtu.be/H1kQYrGr7e8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_Krueger

[Bob Butler 54]

I don't know. 2020 has a month left to run. With Trump still entering the revenge and pardon phases, might we have still another month or two of disasters? Perhaps he was a little early in blowing up 2020?

[David Horn]

(12-02-2020, 07:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I don't know.  2020 has a month left to run.  With Trump still entering the revenge and pardon phases, might we have still another month or two of disasters?  Perhaps he was a little early in blowing up 2020?

If Biden has a shot, it will be a gift from the Trumpster.  It's obvious that Trump pardoning everyone in his administration including himself is a call to arms, and Biden must answer with strength and not equivocate.  Will he? It's hard to say.

[Eric the Green]

(12-02-2020, 07:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I don't know.  2020 has a month left to run.  With Trump still entering the revenge and pardon phases, might we have still another month or two of disasters?  Perhaps he was a little early in blowing up 2020?

Yes, he was early. But since he takes a vacation in December and January, for his show anyway the year was over, and that was his last chance to blow it up.

[Eric the Green]

(12-02-2020, 01:53 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-02-2020, 07:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I don't know.  2020 has a month left to run.  With Trump still entering the revenge and pardon phases, might we have still another month or two of disasters?  Perhaps he was a little early in blowing up 2020?

If Biden has a shot, it will be a gift from the Trumpster.  It's obvious that Trump pardoning everyone in his administration including himself is a call to arms, and Biden must answer with strength and not equivocate.  Will he? It's hard to say.

Biden has said that charges against Trump are up to whoever he appoints as attorney general and his Justice Department. I assume they might contest his self-pardon in Court, but there he has Barrett who would probably protect him. But Trump also has the state of New York to deal with.

[David Horn]

(12-02-2020, 02:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-02-2020, 01:53 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-02-2020, 07:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I don't know.  2020 has a month left to run.  With Trump still entering the revenge and pardon phases, might we have still another month or two of disasters?  Perhaps he was a little early in blowing up 2020?

If Biden has a shot, it will be a gift from the Trumpster.  It's obvious that Trump pardoning everyone in his administration including himself is a call to arms, and Biden must answer with strength and not equivocate.  Will he? It's hard to say.

Biden has said that charges against Trump are up to whoever he appoints as attorney general and his Justice Department. I assume they might contest his self-pardon in Court, but there he has Barrett who would probably protect him. But Trump also has the state of New York to deal with.

If Trump's hand-built SCOTUS validates a self pardon or, alternately, one by Pense in his one or two days as POTUS, then packing the court at the first opportunity seems mandatory.

Jochen Bittner, a NY Times Contributing Opinion Writer from Germany, made the argument that we in a period similar to the Weimar Republic, and not in a good way.  Here it is verbatim:

NY Times Wrote:Nov. 30, 2020

HAMBURG, Germany — It may well be that Germans have a special inclination to panic at specters from the past, and I admit that this alarmism annoys me at times. Yet watching President Trump’s “Stop the Steal” campaign since Election Day, I can’t help but see a parallel to one of the most dreadful episodes from Germany’s history.

One hundred years ago, amid the implosions of Imperial Germany, powerful conservatives who led the country into war refused to accept that they had lost. Their denial gave birth to arguably the most potent and disastrous political lie of the 20th century — the Dolchstosslegende, or stab-in-the-back myth.

Its core claim was that Imperial Germany never lost World War I. Defeat, its proponents said, was declared but not warranted. It was a conspiracy, a con, a capitulation — a grave betrayal that forever stained the nation. That the claim was palpably false didn’t matter. Among a sizable number of Germans, it stirred resentment, humiliation and anger. And the one figure who knew best how to exploit their frustration was Adolf Hitler.

Don’t get me wrong: This is not about comparing Mr. Trump to Hitler, which would be absurd. But the Dolchstosslegende provides a warning. It’s tempting to dismiss Mr. Trump’s irrational claim that the election was “rigged” as a laughable last convulsion of his reign or a cynical bid to heighten the market value for the TV personality he might once again intend to become, especially as he appears to be giving up on his effort to overturn the election result.

But that would be a grave error. Instead, the campaign should be seen as what it is: an attempt to elevate “They stole it” to the level of legend, perhaps seeding for the future social polarization and division on a scale America has never seen.

In 1918, Germany was staring at defeat. The entry of the United States into the war the year before, and a sequence of successful counterattacks by British and French forces, left German forces demoralized. Navy sailors went on strike. They had no appetite to be butchered in the hopeless yet supposedly holy mission of Kaiser Wilhelm II and the loyal aristocrats who made up the Supreme Army Command.

A starving population joined the strikes and demands for a republic grew. On Nov. 9, 1918, Wilhelm abdicated, and two days later the army leaders signed the armistice. It was too much to bear for many: Military officers, monarchists and right-wingers spread the myth that if it had not been for political sabotage by Social Democrats and Jews back home, the army would never have had to give in.

The deceit found willing supporters. “Im Felde unbesiegt” — “undefeated on the battlefield” — was the slogan with which returning soldiers were greeted. Newspapers and postcards depicted German soldiers being stabbed in the back by either evil figures carrying the red flag of socialism or grossly caricatured Jews.

By the time of the Treaty of Versailles the following year, the myth was already well established. The harsh conditions imposed by the Allies, including painful reparation payments, burnished the sense of betrayal. It was especially incomprehensible that Germany, in just a couple of years, had gone from one of the world’s most respected nations to its biggest loser.

The startling aspect about the Dolchstosslegende is this: It did not grow weaker after 1918 but stronger. In the face of humiliation and unable or unwilling to cope with the truth, many Germans embarked on a disastrous self-delusion: The nation had been betrayed, but its honor and greatness could never be lost. And those without a sense of national duty and righteousness — the left and even the elected government of the new republic — could never be legitimate custodians of the country.

In this way, the myth was not just the sharp wedge that drove the Weimar Republic apart. It was also at the heart of Nazi propaganda, and instrumental in justifying violence against opponents. The key to Hitler’s success was that, by 1933, a considerable part of the German electorate had put the ideas embodied in the myth — honor, greatness, national pride — above democracy.

The Germans were so worn down by the lost war, unemployment and international humiliation that they fell prey to the promises of a “Führer” who cracked down hard on anyone perceived as “traitors,” leftists and Jews above all. The stab-in-the-back myth was central to it all. When Hitler became chancellor on Jan. 30, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Völkischer Beobachter wrote that “irrepressible pride goes through the millions” who fought so long to “undo the shame of 9 November 1918.”

Germany’s first democracy fell. Without a basic consensus built on a shared reality, society split into groups of ardent, uncompromising partisans. And in an atmosphere of mistrust and paranoia, the notion that dissenters were threats to the nation steadily took hold.

Alarmingly, that seems to be exactly what is happening in the United States today. According to the Pew Research Center, 89 percent of Trump supporters believe that a Joe Biden presidency would do “lasting harm to the U.S.,” while 90 percent of Biden supporters think the reverse. And while the question of which news media to trust has long split America, now even the largely unmoderated Twitter is regarded as partisan. Since the election, millions of Trump supporters have installed the alternative social media app Parler. Filter bubbles are turning into filter networks.

In such a landscape of social fragmentation, Mr. Trump’s baseless accusations about electoral fraud could do serious harm. A staggering 88 percent of Trump voters believe that the election result is illegitimate, according to a YouGov poll. A myth of betrayal and injustice is well underway.

It took another war and decades of reappraisal for the Dolchstosslegende to be exposed as a disastrous, fatal fallacy. If it has any worth today, it is in the lessons it can teach other nations. First among them: Beware the beginnings.

Jochen Bittner (@JochenBittner) is a co-head of the debate section for the weekly newspaper Die Zeit and a contributing opinion writer

[Bob Butler 54]

(12-02-2020, 02:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Biden has said that charges against Trump are up to whoever he appoints as attorney general and his Justice Department. I assume they might contest his self-pardon in Court, but there he has Barrett who would probably protect him. But Trump also has the state of New York to deal with.

I would just leave it to the states. Biden has enough to do without crossing the Trump base directly. Thus far, the conservative judges have been more strict interpretation of the text and will of the authors than loyal to Trump. I heard a 40 to 1 ratio on challenging the election in the courts, and they are not being particularly subtle about it.

If there is anything left when the state prosecutors are finished, I suspect there will be enough time on the statutes of limitation for the feds to mount a challenge.

[pbrower2a]

My brother tells me that he went past a Trump rally on his way to the grocery store in a small town in Michigan. He is typically a conservative Republican, but he now shares my observation that Trump supporters don't defer to reality. (He voted libertarian in 2016 and for Biden in 2020; he didn't trust Trump)..

They also don't wear masks.

Trump has a cult that will do anything for him except perhaps murder.

(They might form a all-voluntary secret police if they got the chance).

[Classic-Xer]

(12-02-2020, 02:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-02-2020, 01:53 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-02-2020, 07:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I don't know.  2020 has a month left to run.  With Trump still entering the revenge and pardon phases, might we have still another month or two of disasters?  Perhaps he was a little early in blowing up 2020?

If Biden has a shot, it will be a gift from the Trumpster.  It's obvious that Trump pardoning everyone in his administration including himself is a call to arms, and Biden must answer with strength and not equivocate.  Will he? It's hard to say.

Biden has said that charges against Trump are up to whoever he appoints as attorney general and his Justice Department. I assume they might contest his self-pardon in Court, but there he has Barrett who would probably protect him. But Trump also has the state of New York to deal with.

Since when has sicking the dogs on political opponents been legal in this country? I know Obama did it and got away with it a few times. Being the the first black President had it's SPECIAL perks. So, who is teaching is teaching who in the bigger cities with all the problems that we don't care if they ever receive help/ funding again? So, who is to blame for the situation that you find yourself in today? You do realize the blue media mogul's pretty much lit the fuse for a civil war that's going to occur in their cozy blue and neighborhoods back yards. It's smoldering but it's lit. Lets see, what could trigger a spiral of violence today? An incident with a cop that results in the death of a black person any where in the United States of America. Why can't people who lost their businesses or homes or were injured during the violence get together and sue Facebook or Google these days? Oh, that's right, they have legal immunity and First Amendment protections and rights and powers which nobody else has these days? Not even the President of the United States. We are awake, are you? I assume that you must view that as beneficial to today but probably won't when the Democratic party turns fascist out of necessity and begins killing people they can no longer afford to support. Where will be, we won't be defending old people like you living in a blue state. We have two groups of Darwin's. One is natural and the other is not. Eventually, the two groups are going to square off. One is going to win. Nature always wins. There's a lot of you and there's a lot of us and there are obvious differences between us right now. Ones free to do as it please right and the other is restricted by laws made by humans and the laws that come from above. That's where we're at right now. Are you familiar with the laws above? I haven't seen signs that you're familiar with them so I'll assume you're not familiar with them and leave it at that.

[pbrower2a]

(12-03-2020, 03:51 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-02-2020, 02:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-02-2020, 01:53 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-02-2020, 07:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I don't know.  2020 has a month left to run.  With Trump still entering the revenge and pardon phases, might we have still another month or two of disasters?  Perhaps he was a little early in blowing up 2020?

If Biden has a shot, it will be a gift from the Trumpster.  It's obvious that Trump pardoning everyone in his administration including himself is a call to arms, and Biden must answer with strength and not equivocate.  Will he? It's hard to say.

Biden has said that charges against Trump are up to whoever he appoints as attorney general and his Justice Department. I assume they might contest his self-pardon in Court, but there he has Barrett who would probably protect him. But Trump also has the state of New York to deal with.

Since when has sicking the dogs on political opponents been legal in this country? I know Obama did it and got away with it a few times. Being the the first black President had it's   SPECIAL perks.

What special powers did Barack Obama have that other Presidents didn't have? Oh, being more difficult to sunburn. Thanks for reminding me.

Quote:So, who is teaching is teaching who in the bigger cities with all the problems that we don't care if they ever receive help/ funding again? So, who is to blame for the situation that you find yourself in today?

Crowded housing, teen mothers who never grew up, unreliable boyfriends, TV and stereo blaring all the time... the teacher is often the only certifiable adult that the student meets in a day unless referred to the principal. 

Quote:You do realize the blue media mogul's pretty much lit the fuse for a civil war that's going to occur in their cozy blue and neighborhoods back yards. It's smoldering but it's lit. Lets see, what could trigger a spiral of violence  today? An incident with a cop that results in the death of a black person any where in the United States of America.

It's hard to speak of Black Lives Matters as a movement because it has no obvious leadership. Figure that many who sympathize with it don't see it as a "Get Out of Jail Free" card. I'm as much for law and order as anyone else (you ought to see what I think of drugs, personal violence, arson, drunk driving, commercial fraud, child molestation, domestic violence...); I simply have no use for pointless police brutality. Of course... pull a gun on a cop and you will be killed. That spares states that have the death penalty from executing criminals who killed a cop. I want cops to treat white crooks and black crooks just the same.  

Note well: I suggest that people take their camera-holding smart phones to Black Lives Matters events, and if someone does any crime like looting, vandalism, or assault, then record it and supply the video to police or prosecutors. Black lives matter -- because if they don't, then all our lives are debased. Criminal offenders are fair game for arrest, prosecution, and judgment. 
  

Quote:Why can't people who lost their businesses or homes or were injured during the violence get together and sue Facebook or Google these days? Oh, that's right, they have legal  immunity and First Amendment protections and rights and powers which nobody else has these days? Not even the President of the United States.

Did Facebook or Google sponsor or organize the violence? I don't think so. Put the blame where it rightly lies: the criminal. 

Quote:We are awake, are you? I assume that you must view that as beneficial to today but probably won't when the Democratic party turns fascist out of necessity and begins killing people they can no longer afford to support.

Why do you suddenly start talking about the prospect of people being murdered? The penal system can take care of offenders quite well, keeping their lives very low on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Prisons are unpleasant places. But know well: maybe we need to make offenders human again so that they can participate fully in life again.  Japanese-style mind control on criminal offenders (which is much like what the Chinese do to political prisoners) followed by socialization and vocational rehabilitation? 

Quote:Where will be, we won't be defending old people like you living in a blue state. We have two groups of Darwin's. One is natural and the other is not.

I think you mean Darwinian selection. Natural selection explains why the average IQ is around 100 and not somewhere higher. People with IQ's appreciably higher than average are misfits in most human environments that have ever existed. Low-normal intelligence is a virtue for economic survival in many workplaces. That's before I even discuss pathologies that can kill one. Sickle-cell might be good for preventing malaria, but it makes life miserable where there are no malaria cases.

Quote:Eventually, the two groups are going to square off. One is going to win. Nature always wins.

No, ruthlessness, cunning, superior weapons, and cleverness win. If you get into a fight with a German leopard... excuse me, shepherd... you lose. You will be overpowered. Don't break into a house where one of those Other Big Cats lives. It is possible at times to work on the people under nominal control of the Enemy. The Americans and British won the war where they conquered territory because they didn't need to keep as many occupation forces in the rear. The Nazis could take back territory, as at the Battle of the Bulge, only after a counter-attack. If you give the people that you occupy no cause to strike back, then you may have won the war.   

Quote:There's a lot of you and there's a lot of us and there are obvious differences between us right now. Ones free to do as it please right and the other is restricted by laws made by humans and the laws that come from above. That's where we're at right now. Are you familiar with the laws above? I haven't seen signs that you're familiar with them so I'll assume you're not familiar with them and leave it at that.

Most of the human laws are the result of principles laid out as many as three millennia ago. Human nature has changed so little that Greek drama is still accessible. People still consult the Torah, the Buddhist sutras, or Confucius' Analects for fine points of life. I assume that you are part of the Judeo-Christian heritage, so I suggest that you consult clergy for some sound advice on how to deal with your anger.

You may be angry that Donald Trump lost the election, and that America will not be kept great as you think he means it. There is much about the past, like homophobia, racism, religious bigotry, child labor, polio, bad roads, unsafe cars, worthless nostrums, sewage in the street... definitely not worth bringing back. Many of us are elated that Donald Trump went down to defeat so that America can go back to doing many things that it used to be good at. We have some recent trends clearly worth ending, like shock-jock rhetoric. 

We do have a lethal enemy, and the incoming President seems unafraid to use martial rhetoric about a killer of 276,000 people in America as of today. I have been ready to make some sacrifices to stop the carnage. Are you? Our Coward-in-Chief has bungled the job. 

Since Trump has been defeated we have more civility in public life. I'm glad to see far fewer Trump banners and far fewer people wearing MAGA hats. But maybe I could use a Trump banner, as one of those might be a good blanket or other bedding for a doggie if I should get one. The pooch won't care about the political message and the personality of Trump!

[Classic-Xer]

(12-03-2020, 11:35 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: My brother tells me that he went past a Trump rally on his way to the grocery store in a small town in Michigan. He is typically a conservative Republican, but he now shares my observation that Trump supporters don't defer to reality. (He voted libertarian in 2016 and for Biden in 2020; he didn't trust Trump)..

They also don't wear masks.

Trump has a cult that will do anything for him except perhaps murder.

(They might form a all-voluntary secret police if they got the chance).

I don't who my older brother voted for and don't care at this point. He probably voted for Trump. We have a mother who started showing the same signs as Biden at the same age. We think tend to think the same way and tend to vote the same way when it comes to country. Trump would have been better for country but not everyone thinks that way today. World War II era, yes. Today, no or not yet anyway or possibly not ever.

My older brother is squeamish and protective when it comes to doing stuff that might kill him or make him really sick. Me, I do/did it all the time. Risk is part of my job and my life for that matter. So, how do the unprotected fair according to Strauss and Howe. I didn't see many unprotected posting back in the early days. I see lots of coddled and protected but few unprotected and the few were there were naturally drawn to me and we became pretty goods friends. Hell, even the dreaded Devils Advocate respected me and texted/PM's me from time to time. We eliminated the cult and their moderator pretty quick. Eric is the sole survivor. We're a different breed than you and your brother and my older brother as well. Young people and healthy middle age people and brave people and people who view death as natural who aren't afraid of it and those who actually listen to science instead of the scientists directly associated with big government are pretty much invincible people.

They're not a cult, they're Americans who place God, family and country above all aka America First. Hint. Deists and traditional Christians who are level headed aren't into cults. They drop bombs on top of their heads and don't worry about how many of their citizens are killed. You have a pretty powerful cult on your side with legal powers who are in place right now that you don't seem to be to worried about so shut up.

Question, is a nurse or doctor or aid who are asymptomatic but are able to work really a threat to patients with Covid and each other? Sometimes you have to say fuck it and become creative and think outside the box. I'd say this is one of those times but I'm not the ones is charge. It's pretty clear that the overly educated micro managed aren't getting it done. Oh well, it me and my brother and sisters our kids and theirs now. So, how long are we going to stick to CDC guidelines with all the chaos that we see that's going on in hospitals today? We have a major crisis going on and we have a bunch of people with college degree's (governors, politicians, bureaucrats, medical professionals and so forth) sticking to rules that aren't working and depleting their ranks? Dude, a lot of people are going to die over emotional stupidity and inept leadership. If the bulk of red America who live in Minnesota move to Wisconsin what happens to your firewall. Wisconsin ain't much different than Minnesota and ain't much further from my favorite Walleye lakes and I can afford the added expense associated with a non resident fishing licenses.