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(03-03-2021, 05:12 PM)Einzige Wrote: (03-03-2021, 05:59 AM)David Horn Wrote: (03-02-2021, 03:23 PM)Einzige Wrote: Fussell is wrong. Everything he considers as "middle" and below is proletarian. Everything above is bourgeois.
For this argument, let's say that's correct. Now, how many of the Middle think they are just workers with sheepskins? Not many, I think. most believe they're on par with the Upper Middle, just not as lucky as they are. Good luck fomenting a revolution on that.
(03-03-2021, 05:10 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (03-03-2021, 05:03 PM)David Horn Wrote: (03-03-2021, 02:10 PM)Einzige Wrote: Doesn't really matter what they believe. When the time comes, they will know.
Considering how long we've been waiting, I doubt it will ever happen. We've already passed 150 years since Das Capital was published. It's Marx seminal work. If not now, when?
The next awakening or crisis, though I doubt it will be violent. Violence is so Industrial Age. But the division of wealth is getting close to being the biggest problem with the culture. It is due to be addressed.
Have you watched the news lately?
I'll agree with Bob: the problem is getting obvious; the solution, not so much. The MAGA types think they're on the case, and they know it's those damn libs. Since MAGA is a big part of your proletariat, you need to find a way to address them. For now, they think anyone not white enough and Christian enough is the enemy. I suspect you would fail the Christian enough test, but give it a whirl.
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(03-03-2021, 05:12 PM)Einzige Wrote: Have you watched the news lately?
Yep. On line most days, on TV most weeknights. Funny thing though. They never seem to mention domestic communists. It is almost like they were irrelevant.
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(03-03-2021, 05:54 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (03-03-2021, 05:12 PM)Einzige Wrote: Have you watched the news lately?
Yep. On line most days, on TV most weeknights. Funny thing though. They never seem to mention domestic communists. It is almost like they were irrelevant.
For now.
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(03-03-2021, 05:54 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (03-03-2021, 05:12 PM)Einzige Wrote: Have you watched the news lately?
Yep. On line most days, on TV most weeknights. Funny thing though. They never seem to mention domestic communists. It is almost like they were irrelevant nonexistent.
Fixed that for you. 
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(03-03-2021, 05:59 PM)David Horn Wrote: (03-03-2021, 05:54 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (03-03-2021, 05:12 PM)Einzige Wrote: Have you watched the news lately?
Yep. On line most days, on TV most weeknights. Funny thing though. They never seem to mention domestic communists. It is almost like they were irrelevant nonexistent.
Fixed that for you.
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(03-03-2021, 05:12 PM)Einzige Wrote: (03-03-2021, 05:59 AM)David Horn Wrote: (03-02-2021, 03:23 PM)Einzige Wrote: Fussell is wrong. Everything he considers as "middle" and below is proletarian. Everything above is bourgeois.
For this argument, let's say that's correct. Now, how many of the Middle think they are just workers with sheepskins? Not many, I think. most believe they're on par with the Upper Middle, just not as lucky as they are. Good luck fomenting a revolution on that.
Having a degree from a genuine college or university is still something of an elite characteristic. The College Boards weed out the scatterbrains, the simpletons, and the intellectually lazy. Such has always been intended since college admission started having a basis in intellectual merit instead of in already having the connections, when "legacy" admissions became more trouble than they were worth. Now people are more likely to drop out due to economic stress than due to intellectual inadequacy.
OK, I have understood that one characteristic that has nothing to do with social class has a role in students dropping out: heavy drinkers tend to drop out because alcoholism hurts academic performance.
Quote: (03-03-2021, 05:10 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (03-03-2021, 05:03 PM)David Horn Wrote: (03-03-2021, 02:10 PM)Einzige Wrote: Doesn't really matter what they believe. When the time comes, they will know.
Considering how long we've been waiting, I doubt it will ever happen. We've already passed 150 years since Das Capital was published. It's Marx seminal work. If not now, when?
The next awakening or crisis, though I doubt it will be violent. Violence is so Industrial Age. But the division of wealth is getting close to being the biggest problem with the culture. It is due to be addressed.
Have you watched the news lately?
Deutsche Welle occasionally exposes that part of Germany used to be officially hostile to capitalism. When aspects of American economic life resemble a Marxist stereotype, then America has a big problem. The problem isn't that people see something wrong with that.
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(03-03-2021, 06:22 PM)Einzige Wrote: (03-03-2021, 05:59 PM)David Horn Wrote: (03-03-2021, 05:54 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (03-03-2021, 05:12 PM)Einzige Wrote: Have you watched the news lately?
Yep. On line most days, on TV most weeknights. Funny thing though. They never seem to mention domestic communists. It is almost like they were irrelevant nonexistent.
Fixed that for you.
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So The Trump Republicans want to make it illegal to bring some water to grandma as she waits to vote in a line that THEY made so long!
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(03-22-2021, 04:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: So The Trump Republicans want to make it illegal to bring some water to grandma as she waits to vote in a line that THEY made so long!
I can't wait for the first court case of illegal water distribution.
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(03-23-2021, 09:17 AM)David Horn Wrote: (03-22-2021, 04:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: So The Trump Republicans want to make it illegal to bring some water to grandma as she waits to vote in a line that THEY made so long!
I can't wait for the first court case of illegal water distribution.
Water and snacks, if offered in a non-partisan way (for example, one could not do electioneering in any form such as identifying the Party of those who give the water and snacks, handing out leaflets of a politicized organization, or discussing politics) would seem to be lawful. In some places like Arizona and Texas maybe a little sunscreen might be welcome.
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(03-22-2021, 04:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: So The Trump Republicans want to make it illegal to bring some water to grandma as she waits to vote in a line that THEY made so long!
What's up with the Democrats and their cheesy comedians these days? Gee, you'd think Biden won by 42,000,000 votes. I know that it's hard for a nimble minded comedian to comprehend that McConnell represents the interests of 76 million Americans who have no interest in him, his career or the future of his show or the network that he's associated with today either.
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(03-25-2021, 11:20 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-22-2021, 04:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: So The Trump Republicans want to make it illegal to bring some water to grandma as she waits to vote in a line that THEY made so long!
What's up with the Democrats and their cheesy comedians these days? Gee, you'd think Biden won by 42,000,000 votes. I know that it's hard for a nimble minded comedian to comprehend that McConnell represents the interests of 76 million Americans who have no interest in him, his career or the future of his show or the network that he's associated with today either.
The ban on offering food or water to people in line to vote (so long as the activity is non-partisan) could be detrimental to diabetics. A Boy Scout or Girl Scout troop would be adequately non-partisan. So might a church group. Electioneering within range of the polling place is banned in many states.
Mitch McConnell is one of two Senators representing Kentucky in the US Senate. He does not represent people outside of Kentucky.
...As if it matters for precision, Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump by 7.969,533 popular votes... but the States elect the President, and Joe Biden won the Electoral College 306-232, which is what counts. Maybe you don't get the point. Maybe you'd like to arrange things so that people must vote as their employers dictate. Maybe you'd like to see your favored President decide that he can repudiate any statewide election that he dislikes.
Of course that is consistent with dictatorship. Maybe you would like that so that your side never loses.
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(03-26-2021, 07:17 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-25-2021, 11:20 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-22-2021, 04:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: So The Trump Republicans want to make it illegal to bring some water to grandma as she waits to vote in a line that THEY made so long!
What's up with the Democrats and their cheesy comedians these days? Gee, you'd think Biden won by 42,000,000 votes. I know that it's hard for a nimble minded comedian to comprehend that McConnell represents the interests of 76 million Americans who have no interest in him, his career or the future of his show or the network that he's associated with today either.
The ban on offering food or water to people in line to vote (so long as the activity is non-partisan) could be detrimental to diabetics. A Boy Scout or Girl Scout troop would be adequately non-partisan. So might a church group. Electioneering within range of the polling place is banned in many states.
Mitch McConnell is one of two Senators representing Kentucky in the US Senate. He does not represent people outside of Kentucky.
...As if it matters for precision, Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump by 7.969,533 popular votes... but the States elect the President, and Joe Biden won the Electoral College 306-232, which is what counts. Maybe you don't get the point. Maybe you'd like to arrange things so that people must vote as their employers dictate. Maybe you'd like to see your favored President decide that he can repudiate any statewide election that he dislikes.
Of course that is consistent with dictatorship. Maybe you would like that so that your side never loses.
Mitch McConnell represents about half of the country right now. It's so funny, the Democratic party is currently functioning like a dictatorship, showing all the obvious signs of wanting to establish itself as a dictatorship but you're not seeing it for some reason. They're doing it even though it only has the power of a slim majority that was basically given to them by a group of pissed off American voters who know the Democratic party changed the the rules who could care less if a Woke (a piece of shit corporate whore) and a racist black preacher (a race baiting piece of shit demagogue) get elected and destroy whatever integrity that Washington DC has left at this point. So, what do you think is going to happen to the value of the comedian when the comedian finds himself stuck between Liberal cancel culture and good old American cancel culture? Other than washing dishes, what has the comedian aka political spokesman done for a living? I don't think that you quite understand how much Democratic related wealth is on the verge of being wiped out by the culture war that's coming. I don't think you understand the impacts that the losses are going to have on you or the impacts that a Scorched Earth approach with Democrats is going to have on you either. Dude, the American right has already proven that it's much tougher and much braver and currently in a much stronger position than the Democratic side and could begin splitting the country and defunding DC and withdrawing funds and reestablishing the nation as fast as the Democratic government/party clings to power, loses control and implodes.
So far, Bumbling Biden has failed to show me that he actually cares about America or the future of America. All that he has shown me is that he's just a Democrat and only cares about what Democrats think of him and what the Democrats want/need to do to keep the coastal Democrats in power at this point. I mean, his approval ratings are directly related to them because they're the only ones who give a shit about him, cares about what happens to him, cares whether he lives or dies, succeeds or fails and so forth. Here's what you are going to learn over the coarse of the next decade. You are going to learn that the old laurels associated with the Lost and GI's that Democratic side has been relying on, taking advantage of and exploiting for their own gains the last few decades no longer exist as you're dealing with the wrath of the coastal Democrats as we are busy winning the war with them. You won't know that we are winning because they control the coastal media as you should already know or at least should have figured out by now since you are old enough/wise enough to be able to do that on your own by now. If not, why are you still voting?
Here's the reality, you are on the side that has millions of useless, worthless childults. I'm sorry dude but you are below me in maturity. You live here and your maturity level matches the level of those who spend the bulk of the time here. You are on the side that has millions of immature single moms with kids with immature dads to support. Immature ex wives who are unable to defend themselves. Immature single women who are stuck on themselves. Groups of minorities who are stuck on themselves. Groups of activists and political opportunists who are stuck on themselves. Quasi socialist groups who are stuck on themselves. So, other the money that the Democratic party has the power to create and use as needed or suit their needs/interests, what does the Democratic side have to offer real Americans who don't need it or not interested in paying for it?
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I guess the blue voters will have to learn or remember to bring their own food and water with them instead of relying on the Democrats to provide it for them. In short, the Democratic population are going to have to change their ways and grow up and accept personal responsibility, if they want to remain Americans and keep their freedoms. If not, they're going to have to accept being Democratic slaves and servants and peasants like the old days. Unfortunately, you are the greater threat to our rights which makes you and every nimble minded (emotional twit/knee jerk/partisan hack) Democratic voter like you and the comedian who should've stuck to being a comedian vs directly associating himself with liberal politics more dangerous than the gun itself. You would be wise to start thinking that way from now on. Liberal politics is getting very personal. Poor nimble minded Democrats like you don't have the amount of protection that the wealthy nimble minded have for themselves these days. The wealthy nimble minded aren't going to have enough either but they won't figure that out until it's to late. Keep in mind. I voted for the guy that you hated and viewed as evil who made the crucial decisions that made the vaccine available to you in record time that you associated with saving your life and your newly found freedom and positive outlook on life today. He was doing that as you and Biden were bitching about him and belittling him and trying to remove him from office. I also warned about voting for a feeble minded/fumble fuck Democratic leader with dementia at the wrong time in history. As far as I'm concerned, my moral obligation to you and every other nimble minded Biden supporter/Democratic supporter has been fulfilled. I've pretty much wrote you off as lost and pretty much placed you on ignore and don't really care what happens to you under the care of a Democratic regime that has more people than it can afford to support. I don't really care how they kill you either. So, which blue shit hole and which evil blue dictator and which method do you prefer? I've already associated you with the Nazi's. The Nazi's said the same shit about the Jews as dumb fuckers like you. Don't play innocent with me, my eyes don't lie and my brain ain't nearly as fucked up as yours or Eric's.
Hey, I heard a crazy 1st generation American whose parents migrated from Syria (an avid Trump hater) who must have listened to his first generation peers like Omar, AOC and the hell bent leftist from your state to much and passed a background check and legally purchased a firearm and then murdered a bunch of innocent Americans located at some store in a blue state the other day. I also heard a bunch of Asian sex workers/ foreign indentured workers/slaves were murdered by a self proclaimed sex addict that the Democratic media automatically associated with racism and ran with it like they always do these days. You see, TWO CAN PLAY THE SAME GAME. If OMAR and her Democratic backers and the liberal ilk like her want to continue playing the game as they've been playing with America so far, I can pretty much guarantee that Omar, her backers and similar ilk will cease to exist as living beings within this decade. I man enough I see a lot of those young 1st gen fools related to someone who migrated here from some other country saying stupid shit about Americans that only a dumb fucker like them or some ghetto slug or some immature idiot would agree with or believe these days. Anyone ever teach them that acceptance is earned and it's not automatically given or granted these days.
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(03-26-2021, 09:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-26-2021, 07:17 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-25-2021, 11:20 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-22-2021, 04:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: So The Trump Republicans want to make it illegal to bring some water to grandma as she waits to vote in a line that THEY made so long!
What's up with the Democrats and their cheesy comedians these days? Gee, you'd think Biden won by 42,000,000 votes. I know that it's hard for a nimble minded comedian to comprehend that McConnell represents the interests of 76 million Americans who have no interest in him, his career or the future of his show or the network that he's associated with today either.
The ban on offering food or water to people in line to vote (so long as the activity is non-partisan) could be detrimental to diabetics. A Boy Scout or Girl Scout troop would be adequately non-partisan. So might a church group. Electioneering within range of the polling place is banned in many states.
Mitch McConnell is one of two Senators representing Kentucky in the US Senate. He does not represent people outside of Kentucky.
...As if it matters for precision, Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump by 7.969,533 popular votes... but the States elect the President, and Joe Biden won the Electoral College 306-232, which is what counts. Maybe you don't get the point. Maybe you'd like to arrange things so that people must vote as their employers dictate. Maybe you'd like to see your favored President decide that he can repudiate any statewide election that he dislikes.
Of course that is consistent with dictatorship. Maybe you would like that so that your side never loses.
Mitch McConnell represents about half of the country right now.
I suppose so in that the Senate is split 50-50 so that the Vice President typically decides 50-50 votes. The part of America that voted for Trump in 2020 has no share of the Presidency... as if such were not so of the plurality of Americans who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. The Presidency is not a power-sharing arrangement between the two main Parties of the time, and never has been. It was not so designed and so it remains.
Suck it up, Classic X'er. Your side made much of the slogan "Own the libs". Well, we got a different candidate who appealed to more people than did Hillary Clinton and we got the Electoral Vote this time. Maybe if the President that your Party nominated had not acted so much like a despot who acted as if people who disagreed with him were no longer relevant to the political process and had no legitimate cause to expect anything good from the Trump Presidency, we might instead be in the second term of some other Republican.
Your Party chose badly because unlike ours, your Party has winner-take-all voting in caucuses and primaries, and in a six-way race the winner can theoretically get all the delegates from a state, including states that your Party has practically no chance of winning, with less than 20% of the primary or caucus vote. Your Party nominated someone devoid of character, political experience, and integrity. Your Party chose someone who trusts his gut feelings than rational science. You won one election, electing someone awful, and he failed as President. We won the Presidency back.
Quote:It's so funny, the Democratic party is currently functioning like a dictatorship, showing all the obvious signs of wanting to establish itself as a dictatorship but you're not seeing it for some reason.
Tell me about the suppression of dissent. Tell me about the shut-down of unsympathetic media. Tell me about the disappearance of people who think "wrong". Tell me about the mass incarceration of people for acting on their consciences.
The Putsch o January 6 is not an exercise of conscience.
Quote:They're doing it even though it only has the power of a slim majority that was basically given to them by a group of pissed off American voters who know the Democratic party changed the the rules who could care less if a (ugly and irrelevant stereotypes redacted) get elected and destroy whatever integrity that Washington DC has left at this point.
Government by a slim minority win in the previous election is always precarious. That's when the work is hardest, when there is little room for error and one must take chances to make things better.
I have seen overwhelming evidence that Americans hold the coup attempt of January 6 in thorough contempt. It is too early to say what will happen to politicians who didn't distance themselves quickly enough to ensure no ill consequences in the next election. That is in roughly eighteen months for the House and roughly a third of the Senate.
Quote:So, what do you think is going to happen to the value of the comedian when the comedian finds himself stuck between Liberal cancel culture and good old American cancel culture? Other than washing dishes, what has the comedian aka political spokesman done for a living? I don't think that you quite understand how much Democratic related wealth is on the verge of being wiped out by the culture war that's coming. I don't think you understand the impacts that the losses are going to have on you or the impacts that a Scorched Earth approach with Democrats is going to have on you either. Dude, the American right has already proven that it's much tougher and much braver and currently in a much stronger position than the Democratic side and could begin splitting the country and defunding DC and withdrawing funds and reestablishing the nation as fast as the Democratic government/party clings to power, loses control and implodes.
A huge chink of American prosperity is the result of the creation of and transactions in "intellectual property", heavily in entertainment. Much of it stretches the definition of "intellectual", as a well-made period piece with excellent writing, acting, and set design is genuinely intellectual and a cheaply-made porno flick both have asset value in the form of a copyright.
Part of valid courage is assessing the real dangers and risks of what one does. Failure to assess those risks is foolhardiness, and not courage.
You are welcome to consider me a coward for wearing a mask in public when COVID-19 has killed nearly 569 thousand people. Imagine a city the size of Albuquerque, New Mexico (America's 32nd-largest city) vanishing -- that is where the death toll now lies. New cases are slowing down, and so are deaths. But whether one dies in a large number of people in one day or a comparatively-small one it is still a tragedy for one's loved ones.
I'm not ready to throw away fifteen to twenty years of life expectancy without good cause. I'm not ready to even take on some organ disease that makes the rest of my life shorter and miserable. Pointless risk is for fools.
Quote:So far, Bumbling Biden has failed to show me that he actually cares about America or the future of America. All that he has shown me is that he's just a Democrat and only cares about what Democrats think of him and what the Democrats want/need to do to keep the coastal Democrats in power at this point.
Your idea of what constitutes America differs greatly from mine. My idea of what constitutes America is far more inclusive. It includes people who look very different from me, have very different ways of making a living, and hold very different beliefs.
Quote:I mean, his approval ratings are directly related to them because they're the only ones who (care). Here's what you are going to learn over the coarse of the next decade. You are going to learn that the old laurels associated with the Lost and GI's that Democratic side has been relying on, taking advantage of and exploiting for their own gains the last few decades no longer exist as you're dealing with the wrath of the coastal Democrats as we are busy winning the war with them. You won't know that we are winning because they control the coastal media as you should already know or at least should have figured out by now since you are old enough/wise enough to be able to do that on your own by now. If not, why are you still voting?
There is no impending civil war between what you consider America and the rest of America, people whom you consider unworthy of any self-description as "American". Trying to make such a distinction is pointless and futile.
Quote:Here's the reality, you are on the side that has millions of useless, worthless childults. I'm sorry dude but you are below me in maturity. You live here and your maturity level matches the level of those who spend the bulk of the time here.
You are the one exuding anger behind your surface at people who fail to recognize your alleged superiority but over what?
Quote:You are on the side that has millions of immature single moms with kids with immature dads to support. Immature ex wives who are unable to defend themselves. Immature single women who are stuck on themselves. Groups of minorities who are stuck on themselves. Groups of activists and political opportunists who are stuck on themselves. Quasi socialist groups who are stuck on themselves. So, other the money that the Democratic party has the power to create and use as needed or suit their needs/interests, what does the Democratic side have to offer real Americans who don't need it or not interested in paying for it?
You and many on your side fail to recognize how vulnerable you are to exploitation from people who sell you a packaged version of "American" identity. I wouldn't knock "activists" unduly, for activists got America to consider the validity of slavery, male-only voting, child labor, dehumanizing treatment of workers, McCarthyism, Jim Crow, and homophobia... among other things.
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(03-02-2021, 03:23 PM)Einzige Wrote: Fussell is wrong. Everythibg he considers as "middle" and below is proletarian. Everything above is bourgeois.
It wasn't wrong when Fussell wrote it in 1983, when class was largely cultural identity more than it was income. So imagine two people living in the same general area, one an attorney (Mr. White) and the other a plumbing contractor (Mr. Blue), earning the same income. Aside from having the same means with which to spend money, they are likely to spend it differently. The pluming contractor is high-prole, a highly-skilled worker who may be a fairly good salesman competent with numbers so that he can tract business -- basically installing or replacing pluming. The attorney? That takes more formal learning,
The attorney Mr. White is more likely to have a passport. He has his bucket list ("Far away places with strange-sounding names"). Mr. Blue is more likely to own an RV that he and his family drive on long-distance journeys to places that don't have such strange-sounding names, unless "Kalamazoo" is such a place. The RV is for all practical purposes a moving motel room. One cannot drive an RV to Denmark.
It is more likely that Mr. White has a huge bookshelf full of books... and Mr. Blue doesn't. If Mr. Blue has bookshelves they might be full of souvenirs, bowling trophies, or other such stuff that requires little reading. Mr. Blue thinks books are boring. He wears "legible clothing" that says something without the wearer having to say something. It may have a designer name on it such as "GUCCI" that means little more than that one is a sucker for advertising. Mr. White needs nothing of the sort. Mr. Blue thinks himself clever with words, but one gets such locutions as "on account of how" instead of the simpler "because". Mr. Blue's kids are smart enough to attend college, but not smart enough to graduate. Or maybe they lack the curiosity and self-discipline and recognize a college education as frills. Whatever, Mr. White's kids are going to be happy enough in the family business.
Of course, 1983 was when class was largely more a matter of the level of taste and refinement (a huge gap between the upper-middle and high-prole classes), more decided by what one's status symbols are instead of having them.
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(03-26-2021, 07:17 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-25-2021, 11:20 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-22-2021, 04:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: So The Trump Republicans want to make it illegal to bring some water to grandma as she waits to vote in a line that THEY made so long!
What's up with the Democrats and their cheesy comedians these days? Gee, you'd think Biden won by 42,000,000 votes. I know that it's hard for a nimble minded comedian to comprehend that McConnell represents the interests of 76 million Americans who have no interest in him, his career or the future of his show or the network that he's associated with today either.
The ban on offering food or water to people in line to vote (so long as the activity is non-partisan) could be detrimental to diabetics. A Boy Scout or Girl Scout troop would be adequately non-partisan. So might a church group. Electioneering within range of the polling place is banned in many states.
Mitch McConnell is one of two Senators representing Kentucky in the US Senate. He does not represent people outside of Kentucky.
...As if it matters for precision, Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump by 7.969,533 popular votes... but the States elect the President, and Joe Biden won the Electoral College 306-232, which is what counts. Maybe you don't get the point. Maybe you'd like to arrange things so that people must vote as their employers dictate. Maybe you'd like to see your favored President decide that he can repudiate any statewide election that he dislikes.
Of course that is consistent with dictatorship. Maybe you would like that so that your side never loses.
Oh, it doesn't matter that Biden only won by 8 million votes instead of the 42 million he needed to make good on all his promises and trillions of dollars worth of promises/bribes either because none of it is going to matter us when we are living in separate countries.
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(03-26-2021, 06:35 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
It just shows how sick too many Republicans have become, and their representatives bow to the majority in the Republican primaries and vote a sick agenda.
Classic refers to maturity level. But the Republicans oppose measures now that would have passed unanimously in the era that you Mr. Brower wrote about in the obituaries when TN Republican Senator Brock supported environmental laws. Now Republicans vote against them almost all the time. That is a matter of record. Their current Republican senators would not support these laws today. The gun issue as well as the environmental issue have become cultural issues. Gun laws and environmental laws as well as measures to help the poor and people of color or stimulate the economy for all are resisted on a cultural basis.
That is a measure of total immaturity. Republicans like Classic Xer cling to their identity, and they feel that measures like gun reform, which are intended only to solve horrific problems, are really insults and attacks on their white and rural/exurban identity by "liberal elites." Republicans no longer vote on the basis of what will work, but only to defend the memes, slogans and ideologies that now define them.
This culture must be defeated and shrunk, one way or another. I leave the how and the best means up to you guys.
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(03-27-2021, 12:33 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-26-2021, 06:35 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
I guess the blue voters will have to learn or remember to bring their own food and water with them instead of relying on the Democrats to provide it for them. In short, the Democratic population are going to have to change their ways and grow up and accept personal responsibility, if they want to remain Americans and keep their freedoms.
Part of our responsibility as people is looking out for those who have some vulnerability to exploitation and to the normal hazards of life. Looking out for oneself and oneself alone is not maturity, although some political figures would like that as the norm. Most employers do not want their employees doing cut-throat behavior or outright neglect to fellow workers. Empathy toward the customer is good for making the sale and keeping the customer. One can pull only so many fast ones before one gets into trouble.
Supplying food, water, or a port-a-potty to voters in line is not a problem so long as there is no electioneering involved. I can think of groups that could supply these... Scout troops, civics clubs, veterans' organizations, religious groups.
Quote: If not, they're going to have to accept being Democratic slaves and servants and peasants like the old days.
Need I resuscitate my Eisenhower-Obama overlay map to show you that the Republican Party has taken the role that the Dixiecrats once had?
Dying R machines (and signs of a dying machine are voter suppression, corruption, incompetence, ideological rigidity) enact such laws out of a desire to hold onto power with the aid of edges that they never needed before. The 2020 election was the smoothest election ever except for one thing: because of COVID-19, Democrats were unable to do the person-to-person canvassing that is good for working some margins. I trust that now that we have a President who has a mature response to a threat as dangerous to the American people irrespective of whether they are your sort of Americans or not that COVID-19 will be gone, and we Democrats will be able to canvass for votes again as early as 2022. Canvassing works.
COVID-19 could have made voting dangerous. Need I show the image of a hooded Klansman holding a noose, as was the old way of scaring off 'inconvenient' voters? COVID-19 at polling places is even more dangerous to would-be black voters than the white-sheet fascists of the old days. (OK, COVID-19 is dangerous irrespective of ethnicity).
Quote:Unfortunately, you are the greater threat to our rights which makes you and every nimble minded (emotional twit/knee jerk/partisan hack) Democratic voter like you and the comedian who should've stuck to being a comedian vs directly associating himself with liberal politics more dangerous than the gun itself. You would be wise to start thinking that way from now on.
The back-handed compliment is flattering even if it is not so intended.
Quote:Liberal politics is getting very personal. Poor nimble minded Democrats like you don't have the amount of protection that the wealthy nimble minded have for themselves these days. The wealthy nimble minded aren't going to have enough either but they won't figure that out until it's to late. Keep in mind. I voted for the guy that you hated and viewed as evil who made the crucial decisions that made the vaccine available to you in record time that you associated with saving your life and your newly found freedom and positive outlook on life today. He was doing that as you and Biden were bitching about him and belittling him and trying to remove him from office. I also warned about voting for a feeble minded/fumble fuck Democratic leader with dementia at the wrong time in history.
Mercifully we are through with a President who confused us on whether he was more immature than senile. I have seen that most often among old alcoholics who never grew up but whose body had started to fail because as alcoholics they poisoned their livers from their teenage years. OK, I understand that Donald Trump stayed clear of alcohol but may have been involved in other dubious substances. I remember back in the 1970's that the hollow young people of the time (which would have included himself) tended to 'discover' cocaine.
Mercifully we are through with this horrible man. Much of our fear can evaporate as we no longer need dread the secret police that started forming in 2020 that went after political opponents and demonstrators. We Democrats earn our electoral victories the old-fashioned way: we make promises and we deliver on those promises. That is how democracy works at its best/
Quote:As far as I'm concerned, my moral obligation to you and every other nimble minded Biden supporter/Democratic supporter has been fulfilled. I've pretty much wrote you off as lost and pretty much placed you on ignore and don't really care what happens to you under the care of a Democratic regime that has more people than it can afford to support. I don't really care how they kill you either. So, which blue shit hole and which evil blue dictator and which method do you prefer? I've already associated you with the Nazi's. The Nazi's said the same shit about the Jews as dumb fuckers like you. Don't play innocent with me, my eyes don't lie and my brain ain't nearly as fucked up as yours or Eric's.
What did you personally owe us? At least you did not participate in the Capitol Putsch.
Quote:Hey, I heard a crazy 1st generation American whose parents migrated from Syria (an avid Trump hater) who must have listened to his first generation peers like Omar, AOC and the hell bent leftist from your state to much and passed a background check and legally purchased a firearm and then murdered a bunch of innocent Americans located at some store in a blue state the other day.
If that is a fair description if the shooter in Boulder, Colorado, then I would expect his parents who migrated from Syria to register great sham at a deed that is both un-American and un-Islamic.
Quote:I also heard a bunch of Asian sex workers/ foreign indentured workers/slaves were murdered by a self proclaimed sex addict that the Democratic media automatically associated with racism and ran with it like they always do these days. You see, TWO CAN PLAY THE SAME GAME. If OMAR and her Democratic backers and the liberal ilk like her want to continue playing the game as they've been playing with America so far, I can pretty much guarantee that Omar, her backers and similar ilk will cease to exist as living beings within this decade.
You are beginning to sound like the late Slobodan Milosevic, only without the Serb accent. There aren't going to be any concentration camps or shooting pits set up in America, fellow. If you truly love America you would give up the bigotry, because America is becoming less white and Christian. This is a game, like "chicken" or Russian roulette, in which only a fool participates.
Quote:I man enough I see a lot of those young 1st gen fools related to someone who migrated here from some other country saying stupid (stuff) about Americans that only a dumb fucker like them or some ghetto slug or some immature idiot would agree with or believe these days. Anyone ever teach them that acceptance is earned and it's not automatically given or granted these days.
Nobody has an obligation to 'earn' acceptance of skin color or religious beliefs. Mature people accept such differences for the trivialities for what they are. Let's remember that the arch-liberal proponent of tolerance on ethnicity
Quote:“I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”
In his I Have a Dream speech, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. offered a valid point of judging people. That is not a sympathetic one for criminals and extremists. Your character is suspect.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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