Let's make fun of Trump, bash him, etc. while we can!

[Eric the Green]

(11-18-2022, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-17-2022, 06:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Pb, Hitler was elected and took advantage of the situation and seized power. Trump did the exact opposite of Hitler during the COVID19 crisis. He remained true to the US Constitution and delegated authority to the states and did nothing to threaten the rights of the American people. You don't grasp that because you're a partisan hack who is into spreading Left Wing propaganda like this. I'm going to ask you a real life question, when the war comes between those on today's American Right and The Democrats and whatever GOP's are foolish enough to side with them, how long do you think you're going to live? I see 4 Left Wing propagandists and one half wit named Bob posting here and being confronted and often warning them of what's to come and often telling what to expect as far as treatment by just one of the multiple millions of American Right Wingers that currently exist/ live throughout the entire country today.

By keeping true to his neoliberal doctrine by delegating the health crisis to the states, he assured his own defeat. His inept and slow response to covid, always thinking first of the opinion polls, kept the disease going so the USA became the most-infected country by far. Covid licked its chops upon reaching our shores. Umm yummm yummmm! A libertarian country! 

I don't doubt though that if your kind were in full power, Classic Xer, you would behave as you say, taking your playbook right out of Putin's Russia and its attacks on Syria and Ukraine. It looks instead like the current stalemate will go on and on for who knows how long. Trump lost his bid to have cheaters in power in swing states to furnish him the election in 2020 regardless of the actual votes of the people. And now he has a challenge from an even-more crazy right-winger from the swamp.

[Classic-Xer]

(11-18-2022, 04:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-17-2022, 06:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Pb, Hitler was elected and took advantage of the situation and seized power. Trump did the exact opposite of Hitler during the COVID19 crisis. He remained true to the US Constitution and delegated authority to the states and did nothing to threaten the rights of the American people. You don't grasp that because you're a partisan hack who is into spreading Left Wing propaganda like this. I'm going to ask you a real life question, when the war comes between those on today's American Right and The Democrats and whatever GOP's are foolish enough to side with them, how long do you think you're going to live? I see 4 Left Wing propagandists and one half wit named Bob posting here and being confronted and often warning them of what's to come and often telling what to expect as far as treatment by just one of the multiple millions of American Right Wingers that currently exist/ live throughout the entire country today.

By keeping true to his neoliberal doctrine by delegating the health crisis to the states, he assured his own defeat. His inept and slow response to covid, always thinking first of the opinion polls, kept the disease going so the USA became the most-infected country by far. Covid licked its chops upon reaching our shores. Umm yummm yummmm! A libertarian country! 

I don't doubt though that if your kind were in full power, Classic Xer, you would behave as you say, taking your playbook right out of Putin's Russia and its attacks on Syria and Ukraine. It looks instead like the current stalemate will go on and on for who knows how long. Trump lost his bid to have cheaters in power in swing states to furnish him the election in 2020 regardless of the actual votes of the people. And now he has a challenge from an even-more crazy right-winger from the swamp.

Yep. He should've cracked down on the nvaccinated, forced people to quit their jobs and further deplete an already depleted workforce and basically treated them like second class citizens who had no rights like Biden and Hitler and every other quasi socialist like dictator that's pictured with Trump above. Is this best shit a Left Wing propagandist like you can come up with? Really??

[Classic-Xer]

(11-18-2022, 04:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-17-2022, 06:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Pb, Hitler was elected and took advantage of the situation and seized power. Trump did the exact opposite of Hitler during the COVID19 crisis. He remained true to the US Constitution and delegated authority to the states and did nothing to threaten the rights of the American people. You don't grasp that because you're a partisan hack who is into spreading Left Wing propaganda like this. I'm going to ask you a real life question, when the war comes between those on today's American Right and The Democrats and whatever GOP's are foolish enough to side with them, how long do you think you're going to live? I see 4 Left Wing propagandists and one half wit named Bob posting here and being confronted and often warning them of what's to come and often telling what to expect as far as treatment by just one of the multiple millions of American Right Wingers that currently exist/ live throughout the entire country today.

By keeping true to his neoliberal doctrine by delegating the health crisis to the states, he assured his own defeat. His inept and slow response to covid, always thinking first of the opinion polls, kept the disease going so the USA became the most-infected country by far. Covid licked its chops upon reaching our shores. Umm yummm yummmm! A libertarian country! 

I don't doubt though that if your kind were in full power, Classic Xer, you would behave as you say, taking your playbook right out of Putin's Russia and its attacks on Syria and Ukraine. It looks instead like the current stalemate will go on and on for who knows how long. Trump lost his bid to have cheaters in power in swing states to furnish him the election in 2020 regardless of the actual votes of the people. And now he has a challenge from an even-more crazy right-winger from the swamp.

I'd be using the same playbook as you've ( the Leftists) been using all along just like I've been doing since becoming active. I'm sure the possibility of that becoming the norm scares you as much as Trump being reelected and supported by an American First super majority.

[pbrower2a]

(11-18-2022, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-17-2022, 06:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Pb, Hitler was elected and took advantage of the situation and seized power. Trump did the exact opposite of Hitler during the COVID19 crisis.

Hitler never encountered a lethal respiratory plague while himself a murderous plague of hatred and warmongering. Trump made the mistake of purging his own supporters before outlawing the opposition, so in that aspect Trump is the opposite of Hitler. Still, both ruled as despotically as they could and showed gross contempt for human life to the extent possible. Trump's botched response to COVID-19  is, so far as I see things, the worst of his crimes. I give credit to politicians who shut down their states, clergy (including Pope Francis) who ordered places of worship to close rather than become super-spreader zones, mask-wearers, medical science, and Big Pharma for reducing the danger of COVID-19. I got inoculated on February 17, 2021 (by a soldier, which impressed me by showing that President Biden treated COVID-19 as the menace that it was) and boosted on March 17, 2021, and I have not since missed a booster or a flu shot. (I will try to get a shot for pneumonia). People like me who have gotten the appropriate inoculations, who followed the instructions to wear masks (and I thanked people who like I wore masks) for doing their small part by staying alive. I knew that there would be more to life once COVID-19 subsided. I have proved myself right. I have recently visited southern Wisconsin, which is reward enough.

On some days, COVID-19 was killing as many people on one day as the 9/11 which aggravated  Americans across the political spectrum. Terrorists turning jetliners into missiles or a bungled response to a respiratory plague could kill as many people in one day.      

Quote:He remained true to the US Constitution and delegated authority to the states and did nothing to threaten the rights of the American people.

Does being hooked up to a respirator with a high chance of never awakening from an induced coma sound like freedom to you? We sacrifice some freedoms, like those of driving under the influence of intoxicating liquors that we once had, so we have more of a chance of living. The States acted differently, and those states that failed to sacrifice some temporary hedonism sacrificed much life. 

He did appoint his three stooges (not to be confused with Larry, Curly, and Moe who were entertaining even if with some low humor) to the US Supreme Court, and they declared that abortion was not a right even in the case of saving the life of a mother (such as ectopic pregnancies) or even to abort a dead fetus, let alone a mother's health. The new Justices were effectively as pro-death as they claimed to be pro-life. A rigid abortion ban is likely to result in plenty of dead women -- and plenty of orphans. Trump's three stooges are likely to decide that no business has the obligation to negotiate or honor any union contracts, which means that Big Business will get the chance to exploit the bargaining weaknesses of the two-legged livestock (human workers) that they employ. Count on this, for this is what the John Birch Society (indistinguishable now from the GOP) stands for.  

Quote:You don't grasp that because you're a partisan hack who is into spreading Left Wing propaganda like this. I'm going to ask you a real life question, when the war comes between those on today's American Right and The Democrats and whatever GOP's are foolish enough to side with them, how long do you think you're going to live?

I'd rather live a mere two weeks fighting for my freedom than having a long life as a serf or slave. Mussolini offered that proposition on behalf of Hitler... 





The woman is his mistress/whore Clara Petacci. People who preferred living but two weeks fighting for the essential freedoms eventually caught, tried, and executed a man who offered subjection in return for ignominious survival, and then desecrated his corpse. Sic semper tyrannis!

See also a Commie version:

 

[i Sic semper tyrannis!p[/i]

Also shot dead by people who accepted the same proposition that living only two weeks fighting a tyrant was better than living miserably under his subjection. Mercifully the Romanian revolution took less than a week. The Ceausescu family tried to escape to Iran, where today people are making a decision much like people did in Italy in the last two years of World War II or Romanians in December 1989. May the Iranian people get the freedom that they deserve!

Quote:I see 4 Left Wing propagandists and one half wit named Bob posting here and being confronted and often warning them of what's to come and often telling what to expect as far as treatment by just one of the multiple millions of American Right Wingers that currently exist/ live throughout the entire country today.

...and I see the rhetoric of someone who would stand with some tyrant who offer miserable lives of subjection for those who acquiesce for some temporary safety.

Fourth verse. I need but recognize the source:

Quote:O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave![64]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner#cite_note-64][/url]

-- Francis Scott Key.

[pbrower2a]

Oh -- yesterday, Iranian revolutionaries torched the birthplace of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Hey, fascists -- Iran today is a prime example of a republic that is not a democracy.

[Classic-Xer]

(11-19-2022, 05:30 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Oh -- yesterday, Iranian revolutionaries torched the birthplace of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Hey, fascists -- Iran today is a prime example of a republic that is not a democracy.

News flash. All the past and present dictator's pictured above with Trump in your more recent display of Left Wing propaganda weren't/aren't believers in democracy. Where's Pelosi, why isn't Pelosi, Chuck and Biden in the picture with them? You are aware of the way that Nancy, Chuck and Biden prefer to govern right? You are a fucking college boy, you better become aware if you're not because you're speaking to someone who isn't going to have a problem with eliminating a piece of shit Left Winger who is OBVIOUSLY into peddling Left Wing propaganda  like YOU. Hey spineless Democratic voters, are you sure it's in your interest to continue going along for a paycheck during the upcoming 4T, you could easily end in the same position as the spineless blue moderates who went along with the slave owners during the last civil war or the German people who found themselves in same horrible position as you're going to find yourselves soon enough. Personally, I don't give a shit about what ends up happening to Democratic supporters these days. There was a time when I cared but that time has passed.

[Classic-Xer]

(11-19-2022, 05:18 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-17-2022, 06:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Pb, Hitler was elected and took advantage of the situation and seized power. Trump did the exact opposite of Hitler during the COVID19 crisis.

Hitler never encountered a lethal respiratory plague while himself a murderous plague of hatred and warmongering. Trump made the mistake of purging his own supporters before outlawing the opposition, so in that aspect Trump is the opposite of Hitler. Still, both ruled as despotically as they could and showed gross contempt for human life to the extent possible. Trump's botched response to COVID-19  is, so far as I see things, the worst of his crimes. I give credit to politicians who shut down their states, clergy (including Pope Francis) who ordered places of worship to close rather than become super-spreader zones, mask-wearers, medical science, and Big Pharma for reducing the danger of COVID-19. I got inoculated on February 17, 2021 (by a soldier, which impressed me by showing that President Biden treated COVID-19 as the menace that it was) and boosted on March 17, 2021, and I have not since missed a booster or a flu shot. (I will try to get a shot for pneumonia). People like me who have gotten the appropriate inoculations, who followed the instructions to wear masks (and I thanked people who like I wore masks) for doing their small part by staying alive. I knew that there would be more to life once COVID-19 subsided. I have proved myself right. I have recently visited southern Wisconsin, which is reward enough.

On some days, COVID-19 was killing as many people on one day as the 9/11 which aggravated  Americans across the political spectrum. Terrorists turning jetliners into missiles or a bungled response to a respiratory plague could kill as many people in one day.      

Quote:He remained true to the US Constitution and delegated authority to the states and did nothing to threaten the rights of the American people.

Does being hooked up to a respirator with a high chance of never awakening from an induced coma sound like freedom to you? We sacrifice some freedoms, like those of driving under the influence of intoxicating liquors that we once had, so we have more of a chance of living. The States acted differently, and those states that failed to sacrifice some temporary hedonism sacrificed much life. 

He did appoint his three stooges (not to be confused with Larry, Curly, and Moe who were entertaining even if with some low humor) to the US Supreme Court, and they declared that abortion was not a right even in the case of saving the life of a mother (such as ectopic pregnancies) or even to abort a dead fetus, let alone a mother's health. The new Justices were effectively as pro-death as they claimed to be pro-life. A rigid abortion ban is likely to result in plenty of dead women -- and plenty of orphans. Trump's three stooges are likely to decide that no business has the obligation to negotiate or honor any union contracts, which means that Big Business will get the chance to exploit the bargaining weaknesses of the two-legged livestock (human workers) that they employ. Count on this, for this is what the John Birch Society (indistinguishable now from the GOP) stands for.  

Quote:You don't grasp that because you're a partisan hack who is into spreading Left Wing propaganda like this. I'm going to ask you a real life question, when the war comes between those on today's American Right and The Democrats and whatever GOP's are foolish enough to side with them, how long do you think you're going to live?

I'd rather live a mere two weeks fighting for my freedom than having a long life as a serf or slave. Mussolini offered that proposition on behalf of Hitler... 





The woman is his mistress/whore Clara Petacci. People who preferred living but two weeks fighting for the essential freedoms eventually caught, tried, and executed a man who offered subjection in return for ignominious survival, and then desecrated his corpse. Sic semper tyrannis!

See also a Commie version:

 

[i Sic semper tyrannis!p[/i]

Also shot dead by people who accepted the same proposition that living only two weeks fighting a tyrant was better than living miserably under his subjection. Mercifully the Romanian revolution took less than a week. The Ceausescu family tried to escape to Iran, where today people are making a decision much like people did in Italy in the last two years of World War II or Romanians in December 1989. May the Iranian people get the freedom that they deserve!

Quote:I see 4 Left Wing propagandists and one half wit named Bob posting here and being confronted and often warning them of what's to come and often telling what to expect as far as treatment by just one of the multiple millions of American Right Wingers that currently exist/ live throughout the entire country today.

...and I see the rhetoric of someone who would stand with some tyrant who offer miserable lives of subjection for those who acquiesce for some temporary safety.

Fourth verse. I need but recognize the source:

Quote:O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave![64]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner#cite_note-64][/url]

-- Francis Scott Key.

PB, history has taught us that the loser of a conflict can expect to live under a dictatorship of some sort associated with the victor for some time afterwards. That's a bygone conclusion. The question is,  would a Democratic supporter rather live under an American dictatorship of sorts or a dictatorship like the ones depicted by the dictators shown above afterwards? Have you picked your favorite blue shit hole yet? You better pick one because your window of opportunity. BTW, all the foreign dictator's directly associated with WWII were alive during the Spanish Flu epidemic that killed many millions more people around the world than the COVID19 crisis to date. PB, is it wise to continue proving to everyone passing through or reading our exchange how stupid and aloof/clueless you and the other Left Wing propaganda peddlers are compared to the regular Americans like Us?

[Eric the Green]

(11-18-2022, 05:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 04:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-17-2022, 06:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Pb, Hitler was elected and took advantage of the situation and seized power. Trump did the exact opposite of Hitler during the COVID19 crisis. He remained true to the US Constitution and delegated authority to the states and did nothing to threaten the rights of the American people. You don't grasp that because you're a partisan hack who is into spreading Left Wing propaganda like this. I'm going to ask you a real life question, when the war comes between those on today's American Right and The Democrats and whatever GOP's are foolish enough to side with them, how long do you think you're going to live? I see 4 Left Wing propagandists and one half wit named Bob posting here and being confronted and often warning them of what's to come and often telling what to expect as far as treatment by just one of the multiple millions of American Right Wingers that currently exist/ live throughout the entire country today.

By keeping true to his neoliberal doctrine by delegating the health crisis to the states, he assured his own defeat. His inept and slow response to covid, always thinking first of the opinion polls, kept the disease going so the USA became the most-infected country by far. Covid licked its chops upon reaching our shores. Umm yummm yummmm! A libertarian country! 

I don't doubt though that if your kind were in full power, Classic Xer, you would behave as you say, taking your playbook right out of Putin's Russia and its attacks on Syria and Ukraine. It looks instead like the current stalemate will go on and on for who knows how long. Trump lost his bid to have cheaters in power in swing states to furnish him the election in 2020 regardless of the actual votes of the people. And now he has a challenge from an even-more crazy right-winger from the swamp.

I'd be using the same playbook as you've ( the Leftists) been using all along just like I've been doing since becoming active. I'm sure the possibility of that becoming the norm scares you as much as Trump being reelected and supported by an American First super majority.

We seem to be divided beyond help at this point. The red states and districts are dug in politically and so are the blue ones. The Senate will likely remain the same in 2024, and the new gerrymandered House will likely stay the same too, and so will the president. Meanwhile the Earth burns and floods.

[pbrower2a]

(11-19-2022, 09:15 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-19-2022, 05:30 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Oh -- yesterday, Iranian revolutionaries torched the birthplace of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Hey, fascists -- Iran today is a prime example of a republic that is not a democracy.

News flash. All the past and present  dictator's pictured above with Trump in your more recent display  of Left Wing propaganda weren't/aren't believers in democracy.

No fooling. Some of them are Commies; some are fascists. All have horrid records in honoring natural human rights, which unites such supposed opposites as Castro and Pinochet. We also have some tyrannical whack-jobs as Idi Amin and Moammar Qadaffi. So?  

Quote:Where's Pelosi, why isn't Pelosi, Chuck and Biden in the  picture with them? You are aware of the way that Nancy, Chuck and Biden prefer to govern right?

People are not "dictators" just because someone dislikes them. With few exceptions (maybe Schuschnigg. Metaxas, and Jaruzelski, most are large-scale killers like this lot. Trump wishes that he were a dictator.  He qualifies as a large-scale killer for bumbling the response to COVID-19

Quote:You are a fucking college boy, you better become aware if you're not  because you're speaking to someone who isn't going to have a problem with eliminating a piece of shit 

When you compare your opponents to vermin, garbage, or feces you are on the first step to committing genocide. 

GET HELP BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING SHAMEFUL! 

Psychiatric help is not generally available on Sunday, but you can go to church today. I don't know what religious tradition you have, but I assume that you are at least a nominal Christian. 

People have been executed for racist violence in America (Henry Hays, Paul Joseph Franklin, John Allen Mohammed), and Dylann Roof is awaiting execution in the federal system. 

I may not be your friend, but I consider it unconscionable to fail to warn someone of the consequences of law-breaking. 

Hitler intended to eliminate all Jews as early as the 1920's. Even forcible conversions and sterilization would have been too modest for him -- even if those would be abominable crimes. It took more than eight years in power for Adolf Hitler to start killing Jews in industrial-scale massacres and eliminations in concentration camps. 

So what was preparing the German people for indifference at best and murderous hostility at worst toward the plight of the Jews of the Greater Kingdom of Satan?

This stuff as regular fare. 



"Jewish murder plan". Ignore that Judaism is nearly pure morality, ignore that the Jews reject rogues of Jewish origin. Ignore the widely-available teaching by Sigmund Freud (yes, he is a Jew, but he gets this right) that the vile things that people say about others is often true about themselves. If one says that some other "race" is all sex fiends, perverts, rapists, thieves, and perpetrators of monstrous conspiracies, then one has good  cause to stay clear of that person who is really talking about himself.   

Quote:Left Winger who is OBVIOUSLY into peddling Left Wing propaganda  like YOU.

I'm not all that left-wing. I firmly believe in law and order without which civil liberties are mere cant. I believe that precedent and protocol are the best guides for making judicial decisions. I trust small-scale enterprise more than I trust either a monopolist, a cartel, or the State as an owner and operator of productive enterprises. I believe that old standards of morality are guides until something other than selfish desire compels one to believe otherwise. I recognize that any significant achievement requires above-average sacrifice as investment or training. I believe in the hierarchy of competence as a rationale for paying those who do their non-trivial jobs well better than those who do not show lesser or less-remarkable competence. I prefer reason to anger and foolishness. I distrust demagogues. 

If I disagree with some ostensibly conservative agenda, I certainly believe in old standards of educational merit and in personal conduct (generally including manners) consistent with the tried-and-true. When change is necessary, it usually becomes a new conservative norm. When the avant-garde fails, then tradition is a usually the best fallback.     

Quote:Hey spineless Democratic voters, are you sure it's in your interest to continue going along for a paycheck during the upcoming  4T? You could easily end in the same position as the spineless blue moderates who went along with the slave owners during the last civil war or the German people who found themselves in same horrible position as you're going to find yourselves soon enough.

(corrected for a comma splice, a big non-no in high-school (let alone college) composition). 

Most people are not hired for their political beliefs, although people can be fired for expressing certain ones. If I am a manager and I see offensive material (girlie calendars and extremist expressions suggest themselves) I would ask someone to remove those from the workplace and keep them out at the risk of being fired (unless one is doing legitimate work with those such as research). . 

Quote:Personally, I don't give a shit about what ends up happening to Democratic supporters these days. There was a time when I cared  but that time has passed.

Remind yourself when the victors take you on a guided tour of a concentration camp as British and Americans did in Nazi Germany soon after the war was over. Human life is precious for us all lest it be nasty, short, and brutish should America end up with leadership that thinks as you do. Such people will do horrible things to helpless people, which is an abomination.

[Classic-Xer]

(11-19-2022, 01:40 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 05:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 04:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-17-2022, 06:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Pb, Hitler was elected and took advantage of the situation and seized power. Trump did the exact opposite of Hitler during the COVID19 crisis. He remained true to the US Constitution and delegated authority to the states and did nothing to threaten the rights of the American people. You don't grasp that because you're a partisan hack who is into spreading Left Wing propaganda like this. I'm going to ask you a real life question, when the war comes between those on today's American Right and The Democrats and whatever GOP's are foolish enough to side with them, how long do you think you're going to live? I see 4 Left Wing propagandists and one half wit named Bob posting here and being confronted and often warning them of what's to come and often telling what to expect as far as treatment by just one of the multiple millions of American Right Wingers that currently exist/ live throughout the entire country today.

By keeping true to his neoliberal doctrine by delegating the health crisis to the states, he assured his own defeat. His inept and slow response to covid, always thinking first of the opinion polls, kept the disease going so the USA became the most-infected country by far. Covid licked its chops upon reaching our shores. Umm yummm yummmm! A libertarian country! 

I don't doubt though that if your kind were in full power, Classic Xer, you would behave as you say, taking your playbook right out of Putin's Russia and its attacks on Syria and Ukraine. It looks instead like the current stalemate will go on and on for who knows how long. Trump lost his bid to have cheaters in power in swing states to furnish him the election in 2020 regardless of the actual votes of the people. And now he has a challenge from an even-more crazy right-winger from the swamp.

I'd be using the same playbook as you've ( the Leftists) been using all along just like I've been doing since becoming active. I'm sure the possibility of that becoming the norm scares you as much as Trump being reelected and supported by an American First super majority.

We seem to be divided beyond help at this point. The red states and districts are dug in politically and so are the blue ones. The Senate will likely remain the same in 2024, and the new gerrymandered House will likely stay the same too, and so will the president. Meanwhile the Earth burns and flood.

Agreed. We are beyond the point of no return. So, what do you think about DC being stuck with 30 some trillion in debt without most of the US economy available to support it? Oh, you might say or even be foolish enough to believe that that will never happen? Well, there was a time that I believed what's been going on today with primarily the Democrats and their corporate allies/sponsors (you know all the fascist looking stuff that you older communist/socialist types don't seem to be able see clearly) either. I do now and I've been telling you what the remedy for Democratic fascism is going to be. You should become more aware on American Cancel Culture and become more educated on it's role throughout our history as a nation. BTW, the Democrats aren't alone, there's a group of GOP who are going to find themselves in the same boat as the Democrats. You'll start seeing the separation between them and the bulk of the Republican base over the next the years. The reality is this, Trump and the bulk of the Republican base damn near beat the Democrats without them and probably would have without all the law changes that were made to increase Democratic turnout prior to the 2016 election. You are going to find out very quick that the Republican base is about times more diverse in it's overall knowledge and skills than the Democratic base, the Democratic establishment and what's left of the GOP establishment. Getting ready to get your ass kicked. I hope you're smart enough to pull your head out of your ass before. You appear to have won on the issues this time. The problem is that the issues you won on didn't address the real issues that pertain to the greater scheme of things. I figured this election would end up being a wash with the Republicans coming out with the control of the House. I predicted it about a year ago. If you think about it, the Republicans can't do much without the White House and Biden has already proven to be to foolish and stubborn to change what has to be changed to get the country back on track so to speak. Until then, the blue dip shit's living in the northeast are going to receive a harsh lesson on the importance of energy overall. I can't think of a better group who deserve a harsh lesson about real life.

[Classic-Xer]

(11-20-2022, 12:57 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: I'm not all that left-wing. I firmly believe in law and order without which civil liberties are mere cant. I believe that precedent and protocol are the best guides for making judicial decisions. I trust small-scale enterprise more than I trust either a monopolist, a cartel, or the State as an owner and operator of productive enterprises. I believe that old standards of morality are guides until something other than selfish desire compels one to believe otherwise. I recognize that any significant achievement requires above-average sacrifice as investment or training. I believe in the hierarchy of competence as a rationale for paying those who do their non-trivial jobs well better than those who do not show lesser or less-remarkable competence. I prefer reason to anger and foolishness. I distrust demagogues. 

If I disagree with some ostensibly conservative agenda, I certainly believe in old standards of educational merit and in personal conduct (generally including manners) consistent with the tried-and-true. When change is necessary, it usually becomes a new conservative norm. When the avant-garde fails, then tradition is a usually the best fallback.     

You're not all that Left Wing? Are you sure about that, ever read/seen one of your own posts? I have and you're pretty much Left Wing. Guess what, Americans are going to have the right to kill Left Wingers. They already do, it just hasn't been made official yet. Biden and his ill-fated ilk are moving America closer to making it official EVERY DAY they're in power. So, what's the chances of a president or an attorney general surviving when about half the country wants them dead and a portion of the country doesn't care if they die? How close are we to that college boy? I'd say we are getting pretty close myself.

[Eric the Green]

(11-20-2022, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 12:57 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: I'm not all that left-wing. I firmly believe in law and order without which civil liberties are mere cant. I believe that precedent and protocol are the best guides for making judicial decisions. I trust small-scale enterprise more than I trust either a monopolist, a cartel, or the State as an owner and operator of productive enterprises. I believe that old standards of morality are guides until something other than selfish desire compels one to believe otherwise. I recognize that any significant achievement requires above-average sacrifice as investment or training. I believe in the hierarchy of competence as a rationale for paying those who do their non-trivial jobs well better than those who do not show lesser or less-remarkable competence. I prefer reason to anger and foolishness. I distrust demagogues. 

If I disagree with some ostensibly conservative agenda, I certainly believe in old standards of educational merit and in personal conduct (generally including manners) consistent with the tried-and-true. When change is necessary, it usually becomes a new conservative norm. When the avant-garde fails, then tradition is a usually the best fallback.     

You're not all that Left Wing? Are you sure about that, ever read/seen one of your own posts? I have and you're pretty much Left Wing. Guess what, Americans are going to have the right to kill Left Wingers. They already do, it just hasn't been made official yet. Biden and his ill-fated ilk are moving America closer to making it official EVERY DAY they're in power. So, what's the chances of a president or an attorney general surviving when about half the country wants them dead and a portion of the country doesn't care if they die? How close are we to that college boy? I'd say we are getting pretty close myself.

We are going to persist in achieving the changes we need to keep our democracy, economy and climate sustainable, regardless of violent threats from your side, and if you guys and your militias pursue a violent course-- if we are smart enough to keep the state on our side--, we will fight and jail you or whatever is necessary to stop you and we will take your guns permanently away from you.

I think Brower's statements are enough to show that he is not a crazy far leftist, but considerate and rational, which is a kind of conservatism. That you overlook this and make violent statements Mr. Classic is evidence that you are an extreme, crazy right-winger.

[Eric the Green]

(11-20-2022, 01:30 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-19-2022, 01:40 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 05:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 04:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Pb, Hitler was elected and took advantage of the situation and seized power. Trump did the exact opposite of Hitler during the COVID19 crisis. He remained true to the US Constitution and delegated authority to the states and did nothing to threaten the rights of the American people. You don't grasp that because you're a partisan hack who is into spreading Left Wing propaganda like this. I'm going to ask you a real life question, when the war comes between those on today's American Right and The Democrats and whatever GOP's are foolish enough to side with them, how long do you think you're going to live? I see 4 Left Wing propagandists and one half wit named Bob posting here and being confronted and often warning them of what's to come and often telling what to expect as far as treatment by just one of the multiple millions of American Right Wingers that currently exist/ live throughout the entire country today.

By keeping true to his neoliberal doctrine by delegating the health crisis to the states, he assured his own defeat. His inept and slow response to covid, always thinking first of the opinion polls, kept the disease going so the USA became the most-infected country by far. Covid licked its chops upon reaching our shores. Umm yummm yummmm! A libertarian country! 

I don't doubt though that if your kind were in full power, Classic Xer, you would behave as you say, taking your playbook right out of Putin's Russia and its attacks on Syria and Ukraine. It looks instead like the current stalemate will go on and on for who knows how long. Trump lost his bid to have cheaters in power in swing states to furnish him the election in 2020 regardless of the actual votes of the people. And now he has a challenge from an even-more crazy right-winger from the swamp.

I'd be using the same playbook as you've ( the Leftists) been using all along just like I've been doing since becoming active. I'm sure the possibility of that becoming the norm scares you as much as Trump being reelected and supported by an American First super majority.

We seem to be divided beyond help at this point. The red states and districts are dug in politically and so are the blue ones. The Senate will likely remain the same in 2024, and the new gerrymandered House will likely stay the same too, and so will the president. Meanwhile the Earth burns and flood.  

Agreed. We are beyond the point of no return. So, what do you think about DC being stuck with 30 some trillion in debt without most of the US economy available  to support it? Oh, you might say or even be foolish enough to believe that that will never happen? Well, there was a time that I believed what's been going on today with primarily the Democrats and their corporate allies/sponsors (you know all the fascist looking stuff that you older communist/socialist types don't seem to be able see clearly) either. I do now and I've been telling you what the remedy for Democratic fascism  is going to be. You should become more aware  on American Cancel Culture and become more educated on it's role throughout our history as a nation. BTW, the Democrats aren't alone, there's a group of GOP who are going to find themselves in the same boat as the Democrats. You'll start seeing the separation between them and the bulk of the Republican base over the next the years. The reality is this, Trump and the bulk of the Republican base damn near beat the Democrats without them and probably would have without all the law changes that were made to increase Democratic turnout prior to the 2016 election. You are going to find out very quick that the Republican base is about times more diverse in it's overall knowledge and skills than the Democratic base, the Democratic establishment and what's left of the GOP establishment. Getting ready to get your ass kicked. I hope you're smart enough to pull your head out of your ass before. You appear to have won on the issues this time. The problem is that the issues you won on didn't address the real issues that pertain to the greater scheme of things. I figured this election would end up  being a wash with the Republicans coming out with the control of the House. I predicted it about a year ago. If you think about it, the Republicans can't do much without the White House and Biden has already proven to be to foolish and stubborn to change what has to be changed to get the country back on track so to speak. Until then, the blue dip shit's living in the northeast are going to receive a harsh lesson on the importance of energy overall. I can't think of a better group who deserve a harsh lesson about real  life.

I can't wait for YOUR house to be flooded and burned and wonder then if you learn to see beyond your nose before making such cavalier statements about "the importance of energy".

[pbrower2a]

(11-18-2022, 05:23 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 04:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-17-2022, 06:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Pb, Hitler was elected and took advantage of the situation and seized power. Trump did the exact opposite of Hitler during the COVID19 crisis. He remained true to the US Constitution and delegated authority to the states and did nothing to threaten the rights of the American people. You don't grasp that because you're a partisan hack who is into spreading Left Wing propaganda like this. I'm going to ask you a real life question, when the war comes between those on today's American Right and The Democrats and whatever GOP's are foolish enough to side with them, how long do you think you're going to live? I see 4 Left Wing propagandists and one half wit named Bob posting here and being confronted and often warning them of what's to come and often telling what to expect as far as treatment by just one of the multiple millions of American Right Wingers that currently exist/ live throughout the entire country today.

By keeping true to his neoliberal doctrine by delegating the health crisis to the states, he assured his own defeat. His inept and slow response to covid, always thinking first of the opinion polls, kept the disease going so the USA became the most-infected country by far. Covid licked its chops upon reaching our shores. Umm yummm yummmm! A libertarian country! 

I don't doubt though that if your kind were in full power, Classic Xer, you would behave as you say, taking your playbook right out of Putin's Russia and its attacks on Syria and Ukraine. It looks instead like the current stalemate will go on and on for who knows how long. Trump lost his bid to have cheaters in power in swing states to furnish him the election in 2020 regardless of the actual votes of the people. And now he has a challenge from an even-more crazy right-winger from the swamp.

Yep. He should've cracked down on the nvaccinated, forced people to quit their jobs and further deplete an already depleted workforce  and basically treated them like second class citizens who had no rights like Biden and Hitler and every other quasi socialist like dictator that's pictured  with Trump above. Is this best shit a Left Wing propagandist like you can come up with? Really??

It I were an employer I would insist that everyone in my employ eligible to receive the appropriate inoculations get them who do work at my workplace get those inoculations or be fired (barring legitimate cause to not do so, as in a religious prohibition or a medical contra-indication. I want to keep employees alive so that I do not need to train new workers just because they died of a preventable respiratory disease. I do not want employees to get sick rom COVID-19 and take sick time for such. I do not want to be at legal risk for the spread of COVID-19 at my workplace. As an employer one has the right to dictate many terms of employment such as hours of work, language appropriate on the job, attire on the job, being sober, not smoking, not getting into fights with co-workers, and of course meeting productive norms if one faces those.

So suppose that I am a film director in a drama set in Roman times, and on the sound set some player with a bit part starts pointlessly to recite the soliloquy "To Be or Not to Be" from Hamlet. That bit actor would be gone. wouldn't you think? 

Here I speak of the rights of an employer. I thought that you would at least recognize the righte of an employer to contr5ol workers' conduc ton the job.

[pbrower2a]

(11-19-2022, 09:51 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-19-2022, 05:18 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-18-2022, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-17-2022, 06:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Pb, Hitler was elected and took advantage of the situation and seized power. Trump did the exact opposite of Hitler during the COVID19 crisis.

Hitler never encountered a lethal respiratory plague while himself a murderous plague of hatred and warmongering. Trump made the mistake of purging his own supporters before outlawing the opposition, so in that aspect Trump is the opposite of Hitler. Still, both ruled as despotically as they could and showed gross contempt for human life to the extent possible. Trump's botched response to COVID-19  is, so far as I see things, the worst of his crimes. I give credit to politicians who shut down their states, clergy (including Pope Francis) who ordered places of worship to close rather than become super-spreader zones, mask-wearers, medical science, and Big Pharma for reducing the danger of COVID-19. I got inoculated on February 17, 2021 (by a soldier, which impressed me by showing that President Biden treated COVID-19 as the menace that it was) and boosted on March 17, 2021, and I have not since missed a booster or a flu shot. (I will try to get a shot for pneumonia). People like me who have gotten the appropriate inoculations, who followed the instructions to wear masks (and I thanked people who like I wore masks) for doing their small part by staying alive. I knew that there would be more to life once COVID-19 subsided. I have proved myself right. I have recently visited southern Wisconsin, which is reward enough.

On some days, COVID-19 was killing as many people on one day as the 9/11 which aggravated  Americans across the political spectrum. Terrorists turning jetliners into missiles or a bungled response to a respiratory plague could kill as many people in one day.      

Quote:He remained true to the US Constitution and delegated authority to the states and did nothing to threaten the rights of the American people.

Does being hooked up to a respirator with a high chance of never awakening from an induced coma sound like freedom to you? We sacrifice some freedoms, like those of driving under the influence of intoxicating liquors that we once had, so we have more of a chance of living. The States acted differently, and those states that failed to sacrifice some temporary hedonism sacrificed much life. 

He did appoint his three stooges (not to be confused with Larry, Curly, and Moe who were entertaining even if with some low humor) to the US Supreme Court, and they declared that abortion was not a right even in the case of saving the life of a mother (such as ectopic pregnancies) or even to abort a dead fetus, let alone a mother's health. The new Justices were effectively as pro-death as they claimed to be pro-life. A rigid abortion ban is likely to result in plenty of dead women -- and plenty of orphans. Trump's three stooges are likely to decide that no business has the obligation to negotiate or honor any union contracts, which means that Big Business will get the chance to exploit the bargaining weaknesses of the two-legged livestock (human workers) that they employ. Count on this, for this is what the John Birch Society (indistinguishable now from the GOP) stands for.  

Quote:You don't grasp that because you're a partisan hack who is into spreading Left Wing propaganda like this. I'm going to ask you a real life question, when the war comes between those on today's American Right and The Democrats and whatever GOP's are foolish enough to side with them, how long do you think you're going to live?

I'd rather live a mere two weeks fighting for my freedom than having a long life as a serf or slave. Mussolini offered that proposition on behalf of Hitler... 





The woman is his mistress/whore Clara Petacci. People who preferred living but two weeks fighting for the essential freedoms eventually caught, tried, and executed a man who offered subjection in return for ignominious survival, and then desecrated his corpse. Sic semper tyrannis!

See also a Commie version:

 

[i Sic semper tyrannis!p[/i]

Also shot dead by people who accepted the same proposition that living only two weeks fighting a tyrant was better than living miserably under his subjection. Mercifully the Romanian revolution took less than a week. The Ceausescu family tried to escape to Iran, where today people are making a decision much like people did in Italy in the last two years of World War II or Romanians in December 1989. May the Iranian people get the freedom that they deserve!

Quote:I see 4 Left Wing propagandists and one half wit named Bob posting here and being confronted and often warning them of what's to come and often telling what to expect as far as treatment by just one of the multiple millions of American Right Wingers that currently exist/ live throughout the entire country today.

...and I see the rhetoric of someone who would stand with some tyrant who offer miserable lives of subjection for those who acquiesce for some temporary safety.

Fourth verse. I need but recognize the source:

Quote:O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave![64]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner#cite_note-64][/url]

-- Francis Scott Key.

PB, history has taught us that the loser of a conflict can expect to live under a dictatorship of some sort associated with the victor for some time afterwards. That's a bygone conclusion. The question is,  would a Democratic supporter rather live under an American dictatorship of sorts or a dictatorship like the ones depicted by the dictators shown above afterwards? Have you picked your favorite blue shit hole yet? You better pick one because your window of opportunity. BTW, all the foreign dictator's directly associated with WWII were alive during the Spanish Flu epidemic that killed many millions more people around the world  than the COVID19 crisis to date. PB, is it wise to continue proving to everyone passing through or reading our exchange  how stupid and aloof/clueless you and the other Left Wing propaganda peddlers are compared to the regular Americans like Us?

Obviously an occupation government is not democracy. Even if the victors intend to establish a democracy they typically remove the Chief of State and abolish the legislative session and the courts of law. They may allow what exists to operate as a shell to command the troops to surrender to the victors, order warships to port, or order military aircraft to air bases, but when such is done, then that government representing what remained of the defeated regime (as was done with the Doenitz regime that was the last semblence of authority in Nazi Germany) is typically dismantled. 

But we are not here talking of the dissolution of the government of the United States of America, are we?

I am not convinced that an American dictatorship would be any nicer than those of the evil persons depicted in that picture, and Trump never quite became a dictator even if he wanted to be one. The greater the level of personal freedom before the dictatorship, the more terror that the dictatorship must apply. 

There is not, and there never has been, a liberal dictatorship. It's not simply an oxymoron. Liberalism has certain assumptions of what is right in political practice and what is wrong. Nobody in that picture was a liberal when ruling his country. Yes, there is  nothing liberal about Donald Quisling Trump. Liberalism demands an executive with minimal power; a legislature elected in free, fair, and competitive elections: and rule of law through an independent judiciary. China has elections, but the results are fore-ordained in a power-sharing arrangement in which third parties never get more than 30% of he legislative seats. North Korea has elections in which everyone is obliged to particiapte, and 100% of the voters are obliged to vote for a prescribed list of candidates. Saudi Arabisa's parliament faces an absolute veto from the King. The Mullahs in Iran allow some choice, but only between those that the regime chooses to have competing in what elections there are. Qaddafi's system had no elections. In the nastiest dictatorships, the judiciary exists as tools of the leadership to punish anyone who dissents or otherwise demands freedom. 

As for COVID-19 in contrast to the Spanish Influenza, there were no meaningful treatments as prevention or treatment. We had a President pushing quack treatments during COVID-19. .

[pbrower2a]

(11-20-2022, 06:29 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 12:57 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: I'm not all that left-wing. I firmly believe in law and order without which civil liberties are mere cant. I believe that precedent and protocol are the best guides for making judicial decisions. I trust small-scale enterprise more than I trust either a monopolist, a cartel, or the State as an owner and operator of productive enterprises. I believe that old standards of morality are guides until something other than selfish desire compels one to believe otherwise. I recognize that any significant achievement requires above-average sacrifice as investment or training. I believe in the hierarchy of competence as a rationale for paying those who do their non-trivial jobs well better than those who do not show lesser or less-remarkable competence. I prefer reason to anger and foolishness. I distrust demagogues. 

If I disagree with some ostensibly conservative agenda, I certainly believe in old standards of educational merit and in personal conduct (generally including manners) consistent with the tried-and-true. When change is necessary, it usually becomes a new conservative norm. When the avant-garde fails, then tradition is a usually the best fallback.     

You're not all that Left Wing? Are you sure about that, ever read/seen one of your own posts? I have and you're pretty much Left Wing. Guess what, Americans are going to have the right to kill Left Wingers. They already do, it just hasn't been made official yet. Biden and his ill-fated ilk are moving America closer to making it official EVERY DAY they're in power. So, what's the chances of a president or an attorney general surviving when about half the country wants them dead and a portion of the country doesn't care if they die? How close are we to that college boy? I'd say we are getting pretty close myself.

We are going to persist in achieving the changes we need to keep our democracy, economy and climate sustainable, regardless of violent threats from your side, and if you guys and your militias pursue a violent course-- if we are smart enough to keep the state on our side--, we will fight and jail you or whatever is necessary to stop you and we will take your guns permanently away from you.

I think Brower's statements are enough to show that he is not a crazy far leftist, but considerate and rational, which is a kind of conservatism. That you overlook this and make violent statements Mr. Classic is evidence that you are an extreme, crazy right-winger.

Thank you, Eric. People who suggest violence as Classic X'er does  typically end up on the fringe of society until they give such up (best choice!); otherwise they get blown away or put away when they try to realize their hatred in violent deeds. 

The Wolverine Watchmen who plotted to kidnap the Governor of Michigan face long sentences in which they will, among other things, lose their opportunity to use their favorite toys (their guns). People are starting to get long prison terms for the Capitol putsch. 

Some things must change; some thing must not change. Divine right of kings, slavery, male dominance, and feudalism all had to disappear. Such a fad as the Sexual Revolution did far more harm than good. Some ideas with huge investments in thought behind them, like Marxism-Leninism, have proved horrible. Basic needs and desires of people remain far more consistent over time than many recognize. Human nature is so complex that we rely heavily upon fiction to most fully understand it. 

Classic X'er does not recognize that the word "American" means very different things to different people, and that if someone successfully redefine the word into some narrow and authoritarian meme that hurts people and desires to impose some new version of Manifest Destiny where such is unwelcome, then we can endure not only horroir from the government but defeat in an apocalyptic war. "American" includes people who don't look like me, don't pray as I do, have sex in ways that I wouldn't. and don't have the same culture as I do. Someone took a gun into an LGBT place in Colorado Springs and tried to mow a large number of people down. He killed five. There was recent chatter among American fascists of plans to attack Jewish places of worship. 

One thing is clear: little creates more trouble with little benefit than does cruelty. Classic X'er reeks of cruelty in his words/

[Classic-Xer]

(11-20-2022, 06:29 PM).Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 12:57 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: I'm not all that left-wing. I firmly believe in law and order without which civil liberties are mere cant. I believe that precedent and protocol are the best guides for making judicial decisions. I trust small-scale enterprise more than I trust either a monopolist, a cartel, or the State as an owner and operator of productive enterprises. I believe that old standards of morality are guides until something other than selfish desire compels one to believe otherwise. I recognize that any significant achievement requires above-average sacrifice as investment or training. I believe in the hierarchy of competence as a rationale for paying those who do their non-trivial jobs well better than those who do not show lesser or less-remarkable competence. I prefer reason to anger and foolishness. I distrust demagogues. 

If I disagree with some ostensibly conservative agenda, I certainly believe in old standards of educational merit and in personal conduct (generally including manners) consistent with the tried-and-true. When change is necessary, it usually becomes a new conservative norm. When the avant-garde fails, then tradition is a usually the best fallback.     

You're not all that Left Wing? Are you sure about that, ever read/seen one of your own posts? I have and you're pretty much Left Wing. Guess what, Americans are going to have the right to kill Left Wingers. They already do, it just hasn't been made official yet. Biden and his ill-fated ilk are moving America closer to making it official EVERY DAY they're in power. So, what's the chances of a president or an attorney general surviving when about half the country wants them dead and a portion of the country doesn't care if they die? How close are we to that college boy? I'd say we are getting pretty close myself.

We are going to persist in achieving the changes we need to keep our democracy, economy and climate sustainable, regardless of violent threats from your side, and if you guys and your militias pursue a violent course-- if we are smart enough to keep the state on our side--, we will fight and jail you or whatever is necessary to stop you and we will take your guns permanently away from you.

I think Brower's statements are enough to show that he is not a crazy far leftist, but considerate and rational, which is a kind of conservatism. That you overlook this and make violent statements Mr. Classic is evidence that you are an extreme, crazy right-winger.

I think PB is a useful idiot myself. I'm a realist and I'm pretty familiar with human nature and I have a pretty good idea of how the real world works. What are you? An Idealistic Prophet, a Left Wing ideologue, a narcissist or are you all of them. I think you're all of them. But what do I know, I'm not a so-called smart college boy like you and the others. I've shown/showing you how extreme I will/can become during the Civil War or extended period of Civil Unrest that's coming soon. Are we officially at war or experiencing a period of Civil Unrest yet. Personally, I don't give a shit about what happens to you during that time. However, I do care about what happens to decent people/ innocent people.  So, how many criminals live in your city and how many cops will you have to keep them at bay? How many more criminals are entering the country right now? How many have entered the country since Biden entered office? You elected the worthless piece of shit, I didn't, and you're not going to be able to avoid the consequences of doing it either.

[Classic-Xer]

(11-21-2022, 01:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 06:29 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 12:57 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: I'm not all that left-wing. I firmly believe in law and order without which civil liberties are mere cant. I believe that precedent and protocol are the best guides for making judicial decisions. I trust small-scale enterprise more than I trust either a monopolist, a cartel, or the State as an owner and operator of productive enterprises. I believe that old standards of morality are guides until something other than selfish desire compels one to believe otherwise. I recognize that any significant achievement requires above-average sacrifice as investment or training. I believe in the hierarchy of competence as a rationale for paying those who do their non-trivial jobs well better than those who do not show lesser or less-remarkable competence. I prefer reason to anger and foolishness. I distrust demagogues. 

If I disagree with some ostensibly conservative agenda, I certainly believe in old standards of educational merit and in personal conduct (generally including manners) consistent with the tried-and-true. When change is necessary, it usually becomes a new conservative norm. When the avant-garde fails, then tradition is a usually the best fallback.     

You're not all that Left Wing? Are you sure about that, ever read/seen one of your own posts? I have and you're pretty much Left Wing. Guess what, Americans are going to have the right to kill Left Wingers. They already do, it just hasn't been made official yet. Biden and his ill-fated ilk are moving America closer to making it official EVERY DAY they're in power. So, what's the chances of a president or an attorney general surviving when about half the country wants them dead and a portion of the country doesn't care if they die? How close are we to that college boy? I'd say we are getting pretty close myself.

We are going to persist in achieving the changes we need to keep our democracy, economy and climate sustainable, regardless of violent threats from your side, and if you guys and your militias pursue a violent course-- if we are smart enough to keep the state on our side--, we will fight and jail you or whatever is necessary to stop you and we will take your guns permanently away from you.

I think Brower's statements are enough to show that he is not a crazy far leftist, but considerate and rational, which is a kind of conservatism. That you overlook this and make violent statements Mr. Classic is evidence that you are an extreme, crazy right-winger.

Thank you, Eric. People who suggest violence as Classic X'er does  typically end up on the fringe of society until they give such up (best choice!); otherwise they get blown away or put away when they try to realize their hatred in violent deeds. 

The Wolverine Watchmen who plotted to kidnap the Governor of Michigan face long sentences in which they will, among other things, lose their opportunity to use their favorite toys (their guns). People are starting to get long prison terms for the Capitol putsch. 

Some things must change; some thing must not change. Divine right of kings, slavery, male dominance, and feudalism all had to disappear. Such a fad as the Sexual Revolution did far more harm than good. Some ideas with huge investments in thought behind them, like Marxism-Leninism, have proved horrible. Basic needs and desires of people remain far more consistent over time than many recognize. Human nature is so complex that we rely heavily upon fiction to most fully understand it. 

Classic X'er does not recognize that the word "American" means very different things to different people, and that if someone successfully redefine the word into some narrow and authoritarian meme that hurts people and desires to impose some new version of Manifest Destiny where such is unwelcome, then we can endure not only horroir from the government but defeat in an apocalyptic war. "American" includes people who don't look like me, don't pray as I do, have sex in ways that I wouldn't. and don't have the same culture as I do. Someone took a gun into an LGBT place in Colorado Springs and tried to mow a large number of people down. He killed five. There was recent chatter among American fascists of plans to attack Jewish places of worship. 

One thing is clear: little creates more trouble with little benefit than does cruelty. Classic X'er reeks of cruelty in his words/

I'm not advocating for violence. I'm telling you that violence is coming as long as the Democrats continue what they've be doing all along and continue on the path they're hell bent on taking the country down with or without it's consent. Continue ignore the obvious if you want,  like you've been doing for years. But make no mistake, it's coming and it's coming sooner than later at this point. Eric says ten years but it will be starting within 10 years.

PB, you don't seem to understand the difference between a 1st generation American like yourself and the multiple generation Americans like Us. You don't seem to understand our heritage or what the American flag and what the term American means to Us either. We fought a WAR to free ourselves from the British rule and we fought another war with the British to keep our freedoms and independence intact. We fought a WAR to free slaves and keep the country intact aka reunited under one flag. We fought two world wars in the name of freedom and independence under the American flag that represented both fought by individuals who were willing to fight and die for both. What do you know about being an American or what it takes to be an American? Do you know how hard it is to be an American? Do you understand the sacrifices associated with the flag that we acknowledge when we remove our hats and place our right hand on our chest during the national anthem? What would a childults tethered to parents know about either of them?

[pbrower2a]

(11-22-2022, 04:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-21-2022, 01:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 06:29 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 12:57 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: I'm not all that left-wing. I firmly believe in law and order without which civil liberties are mere cant. I believe that precedent and protocol are the best guides for making judicial decisions. I trust small-scale enterprise more than I trust either a monopolist, a cartel, or the State as an owner and operator of productive enterprises. I believe that old standards of morality are guides until something other than selfish desire compels one to believe otherwise. I recognize that any significant achievement requires above-average sacrifice as investment or training. I believe in the hierarchy of competence as a rationale for paying those who do their non-trivial jobs well better than those who do not show lesser or less-remarkable competence. I prefer reason to anger and foolishness. I distrust demagogues. 

If I disagree with some ostensibly conservative agenda, I certainly believe in old standards of educational merit and in personal conduct (generally including manners) consistent with the tried-and-true. When change is necessary, it usually becomes a new conservative norm. When the avant-garde fails, then tradition is a usually the best fallback.     

You're not all that Left Wing? Are you sure about that, ever read/seen one of your own posts? I have and you're pretty much Left Wing. Guess what, Americans are going to have the right to kill Left Wingers. They already do, it just hasn't been made official yet. Biden and his ill-fated ilk are moving America closer to making it official EVERY DAY they're in power. So, what's the chances of a president or an attorney general surviving when about half the country wants them dead and a portion of the country doesn't care if they die? How close are we to that college boy? I'd say we are getting pretty close myself.

We are going to persist in achieving the changes we need to keep our democracy, economy and climate sustainable, regardless of violent threats from your side, and if you guys and your militias pursue a violent course-- if we are smart enough to keep the state on our side--, we will fight and jail you or whatever is necessary to stop you and we will take your guns permanently away from you.

I think Brower's statements are enough to show that he is not a crazy far leftist, but considerate and rational, which is a kind of conservatism. That you overlook this and make violent statements Mr. Classic is evidence that you are an extreme, crazy right-winger.

Thank you, Eric. People who suggest violence as Classic X'er does  typically end up on the fringe of society until they give such up (best choice!); otherwise they get blown away or put away when they try to realize their hatred in violent deeds. 

The Wolverine Watchmen who plotted to kidnap the Governor of Michigan face long sentences in which they will, among other things, lose their opportunity to use their favorite toys (their guns). People are starting to get long prison terms for the Capitol putsch. 

Some things must change; some thing must not change. Divine right of kings, slavery, male dominance, and feudalism all had to disappear. Such a fad as the Sexual Revolution did far more harm than good. Some ideas with huge investments in thought behind them, like Marxism-Leninism, have proved horrible. Basic needs and desires of people remain far more consistent over time than many recognize. Human nature is so complex that we rely heavily upon fiction to most fully understand it. 

Classic X'er does not recognize that the word "American" means very different things to different people, and that if someone successfully redefine the word into some narrow and authoritarian meme that hurts people and desires to impose some new version of Manifest Destiny where such is unwelcome, then we can endure not only horroir from the government but defeat in an apocalyptic war. "American" includes people who don't look like me, don't pray as I do, have sex in ways that I wouldn't. and don't have the same culture as I do. Someone took a gun into an LGBT place in Colorado Springs and tried to mow a large number of people down. He killed five. There was recent chatter among American fascists of plans to attack Jewish places of worship. 

One thing is clear: little creates more trouble with little benefit than does cruelty. Classic X'er reeks of cruelty in his words/

I'm not advocating for violence.

No, but you are defining people in the political mainstream as pariahs. That is the first steep to either politicide or genocide. Your exude anger and see nothing wrong with others sharing much the same anger that you have. Anger and the entitlement to do bad things to people deemed pariahs put people behind the gates of Hell that greet its inmates with such terms as "Arbeit Macht Frei" or "Jedem das Seinem" .

This site  

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/

has not been updated since Professor E. J. Rummel passed away on March 2, 2014. Rummel associated practically all mass killing not itself war with repressive, tyrannical government. (The genocide against Armenians and Assyrians in the rotten Ottoman Empire during World War I, the Holodomor in Soviet Ukraine, the Holocaust and Porajmos (Gypsies) in Greater Hitlerland, and mass death often far away from front lines in Greater Tojoland were not vital to any war effort. There have been big killers such as Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Idi A-murderin', Satan Hussein, Hangman and Butcher Assad, the Kim dynasty-in-all-but-name in North Korea,  and Leopold II of Belgium (in his "Congo Free State"). See also the Rwanda Genocide. 

Tyranny kills, whether the tyrant is Ivan the Terrible or Vladimir Putin differs in time, or Fidel Castro and Augusto Pinochet who differ in ideology. 

Donald Trump's MAGA cult has shown that Americans who care about honest elections, due process of law, and a heritage of Constitutional government can no longer be complacent about such. Some arrogant beast is always in the wings awaiting the opportunity to dispense with honest elections, due process of the law, or Constitutional government with either the Commie appeal to eviscerate capitalism or some fascist who wants to turn workers into serfs or kill off millions of people.  

Some people will gladly destroy democracy to ensure maximal profits from labor driven to work harder under harsher conditions for much less or allow them to achieve some ideal that involves the expulsion or murder of millions. 

Quote:I'm telling you that violence is coming as long as the Democrats continue what they've be doing all along and continue on the path they're hell bent on taking the country down with or without it's consent.

Bullhist! Contrary to MAGA myth, Joe Biden won the Presidency fair and square. We Democrats will continue to hold the majority in the Senate and perhaps even expand that majority by one seat. The part of the electorate most amenable to Trump ideology has been dying off while the younger vote is heavily D. So figure that the average Presidential voter starts voting at age 25 and quits voting at age 85, and a shift from voters about 5% more R than D to one about 20% more  D than R at a rate of 1.6% a year (almost all above age 50) gives about a 1.5% shift in the electorate over four years. 

The people who participated in the shameful Capitol Putsch on January 6, 2021 sought to nullify a Presidential election on behalf of the Sore Loser who lost the popular vote 81 million to 74 million and in the Electoral College (the one that counts) 306-232. If any recent Presidential election is in doubt, it is that of 2016 in which rumors of involvement by Russian secret agents increasingly become what the 45th President seeks to suppress. 
  

Quote:Continue ignore the obvious if you want,  like you've been doing for years. But make no mistake, it's coming and it's coming sooner than later at this point. Eric says ten years but it will be starting within 10 years.

To the contrary. I see indications that we are passing the moment of peak danger (January 6. 2021 and the worst times of the Trump-bungled response to COVID-19). We are beginning to see Democrats redefine conservatism by adopting the virtues of conservatives of old times while recognizing that different traditions which work similarly well can work together to develop some consensus because they agree on freedom of conscience, the work ethic, political freedom, business enterprise, Constitutional government, and law and order. I see the pattern of a new puritanism on sexual matters, one that promotes monogamy and disparages sexually-oriented violence whether LGBT-bashing or domestic violence and cracks down hard on child pornography and sexual abuse of children while recognizing date-rape as rape and homophobic violence for the criminal violence that we must all abhor*.  We get LGBT rights at the expense of spouse-beaters, date-rape, and child-abusing perverts, which on the whole is more sexually repressive. Some people deserve repression on behalf of helpless people. Mainstream LGBT people intent on allowing people of the same gender the same rights as people of opposite genders in marriage and adoption sacrificed the child-predators to get what they wanted. Like most straight people      

Quote:PB, you don't seem to understand the difference between a 1st generation American like yourself and the multiple generation Americans like Us.

You are wrong about me (my latest immigrant ancestor was born in the Channel Islands in 1833), and about the premise that persons who are first-generation Americans are less "American" than someone whose ancestors came to the British colonies before the American Revolution. If anything, people who have emigrated from some political or economic Hell-hole may have a better definition of what constitutes "American-ness" than you do. Unlike you, they better know what is at stake.

Democracy matters. Ask many immigrants. They can know as I don't what genuine democracy means from first-hand knowledge of what tyranny and crony capitalism do to people where they came from.   

Quote:You don't seem to understand our heritage or what the American flag and what the term American means to Us either.

Turn the American flag into a symbol of something disgraceful, like your perverse dream, and it will be just another rag. I'd sell out American fascists to liberators who decide that a democratic America is better than the tyranny that they are then fighting. I'd sell out any perpetrator of genocide to practically anyone. I shed no tears when Saddam Hussein was announced to have died of a well-deserved hanging. 

The word "American" includes people who do not look like me, do not pray like me, betray their origins in their speech patterns, or eat very different foods. OK, German-American cuisine is infamously insipid, so I tend to lenjoy something more exotic. 

I have more in common with an Iranian liberal than I have in common with an "American" fascist. One is a hero and the other betrays everything precious about our Empire of Liberty. (The United States of America is no longer a nation-state). Indeed, I strongly encourage you, should you be a praying man, to pray for the Iranian people so that they can cast off a monstrous, dehumanizing regime.        

Quote:We fought a WAR to free ourselves from the British rule and we fought another war with the British to keep our freedoms and independence intact. We fought a WAR to free slaves and keep the country intact aka reunited under one flag. We fought two world wars in the name of freedom and independence under the American flag that represented both fought by individuals who were willing to fight and die for both. What do you know about being an American or what it takes to be an American? Do you know how hard it is to be an American?

I was born here, you idiot. That is the easiest way to be an American. I need no recapitulation of the history of America's main wars as a lecture. I was fortunate enough that because of the time of my birth (1955) I was too late to serve in the Vietnam War unless I became a career soldier in time for the liberation of Grenada, Panama, or Kuwait. 

We have it comparatively easy -- far easier than it is to be a citizen of, for example, the People's Republic or the Russian Federation. That's before I mention such Hells as Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, or Somalia. I understand that the Twin Cities have plenty of Hmong and Somalis. Maybe you might want to ask them what America means to them. 

[/quote]Do you understand the sacrifices associated with the flag that we acknowledge when we remove our hats and place our right hand on our chest during the national anthem? What would a childults tethered to parents know about either of them?[/quote]

I have no problem saluting Old Glory. With two fewer stars it left no question that the horrors of Dachau and Mauthausen would be no more. This is also the flag associated with the civil rights struggle for Southern blacks. It is also the flag that signaled the end of the horrible rule of serial mass-murderer Satan Hussein. 

Speaking of being tethered to my parents -- I was "tethered" to them in their last years. My mother had Parkinsonism, and my father deteriorated into senility in which he became abusive. It's truly distressing to see someone that one had known for sixty years, upon whom I could trust at all times, became an abusive parent. I can only imagine how difficult life is for a small child who knows nothing else.     

*I have been gay-bashed despite being straight. After that experience I became a militant supporter of LGBT rights. I convinced several conservative people, including a born-again Christian who thought homosexuality a perversion and some rich man who had been a successful entrepreneur. Law and order, folks. 

I have no children, but I would rather that one of them came "out" as gay or lesbian rather than that I found out that that kid had been arrested as a car thief.

[Eric the Green]

(11-22-2022, 04:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-21-2022, 01:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 06:29 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-20-2022, 12:57 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: I'm not all that left-wing. I firmly believe in law and order without which civil liberties are mere cant. I believe that precedent and protocol are the best guides for making judicial decisions. I trust small-scale enterprise more than I trust either a monopolist, a cartel, or the State as an owner and operator of productive enterprises. I believe that old standards of morality are guides until something other than selfish desire compels one to believe otherwise. I recognize that any significant achievement requires above-average sacrifice as investment or training. I believe in the hierarchy of competence as a rationale for paying those who do their non-trivial jobs well better than those who do not show lesser or less-remarkable competence. I prefer reason to anger and foolishness. I distrust demagogues. 

If I disagree with some ostensibly conservative agenda, I certainly believe in old standards of educational merit and in personal conduct (generally including manners) consistent with the tried-and-true. When change is necessary, it usually becomes a new conservative norm. When the avant-garde fails, then tradition is a usually the best fallback.     

You're not all that Left Wing? Are you sure about that, ever read/seen one of your own posts? I have and you're pretty much Left Wing. Guess what, Americans are going to have the right to kill Left Wingers. They already do, it just hasn't been made official yet. Biden and his ill-fated ilk are moving America closer to making it official EVERY DAY they're in power. So, what's the chances of a president or an attorney general surviving when about half the country wants them dead and a portion of the country doesn't care if they die? How close are we to that college boy? I'd say we are getting pretty close myself.

We are going to persist in achieving the changes we need to keep our democracy, economy and climate sustainable, regardless of violent threats from your side, and if you guys and your militias pursue a violent course-- if we are smart enough to keep the state on our side--, we will fight and jail you or whatever is necessary to stop you and we will take your guns permanently away from you.

I think Brower's statements are enough to show that he is not a crazy far leftist, but considerate and rational, which is a kind of conservatism. That you overlook this and make violent statements Mr. Classic is evidence that you are an extreme, crazy right-winger.

Thank you, Eric. People who suggest violence as Classic X'er does  typically end up on the fringe of society until they give such up (best choice!); otherwise they get blown away or put away when they try to realize their hatred in violent deeds. 

The Wolverine Watchmen who plotted to kidnap the Governor of Michigan face long sentences in which they will, among other things, lose their opportunity to use their favorite toys (their guns). People are starting to get long prison terms for the Capitol putsch. 

Some things must change; some thing must not change. Divine right of kings, slavery, male dominance, and feudalism all had to disappear. Such a fad as the Sexual Revolution did far more harm than good. Some ideas with huge investments in thought behind them, like Marxism-Leninism, have proved horrible. Basic needs and desires of people remain far more consistent over time than many recognize. Human nature is so complex that we rely heavily upon fiction to most fully understand it. 

Classic X'er does not recognize that the word "American" means very different things to different people, and that if someone successfully redefine the word into some narrow and authoritarian meme that hurts people and desires to impose some new version of Manifest Destiny where such is unwelcome, then we can endure not only horroir from the government but defeat in an apocalyptic war. "American" includes people who don't look like me, don't pray as I do, have sex in ways that I wouldn't. and don't have the same culture as I do. Someone took a gun into an LGBT place in Colorado Springs and tried to mow a large number of people down. He killed five. There was recent chatter among American fascists of plans to attack Jewish places of worship. 

One thing is clear: little creates more trouble with little benefit than does cruelty. Classic X'er reeks of cruelty in his words/

I'm not advocating for violence. I'm telling you that violence is coming as long as the Democrats continue what they've be doing all along and continue on the path they're hell bent on taking the country down with or without it's consent. Continue ignore the obvious if you want,  like you've been doing for years. But make no mistake, it's coming and it's coming sooner than later at this point. Eric says ten years but it will be starting within 10 years.

PB, you don't seem to understand the difference between a 1st generation American like yourself and the multiple generation Americans like Us. You don't seem to understand our heritage or what the American flag and what the term American means to Us either. We fought a WAR to free ourselves from the British rule and we fought another war with the British to keep our freedoms and independence intact. We fought a WAR to free slaves and keep the country intact aka reunited under one flag. We fought two world wars in the name of freedom and independence under the American flag that represented both fought by individuals who were willing to fight and die for both. What do you know about being an American or what it takes to be an American? Do you know how hard it is to be an American? Do you understand the sacrifices associated with the flag that we acknowledge when we remove our hats and place our right hand on our chest during the national anthem? What would a childults tethered to parents know about either of them?

When I said 10 years it must have been 7 years ago. The danger is upon us in 2 or 4 years now, and will last until 2029 when I hope we will have the victory over you retrogrades. How violent it will be depends on your side.

Ha ha. My father was the 5th generation of his name in an Indiana town. Most of my ancestors came to America in the 17th century. I suspect many progressives are like me. We know what the USA really means and you don't.