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What the next First Turning won't be like
(02-28-2021, 03:59 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(02-28-2021, 09:46 AM)beechnut79 Wrote: One of the exceptions though was that in many areas 18 to 20 year olds had won the right to drink. By the mid 1980s that was lost throughout the US as the minimum age of 21 was restored. More recently the age for purchasing tobacco products was raised as well. Why is it that we are the only place in the world where you have to be 21? And might the issue be resurrected in the next 2T?

The 18 age rule was driven by the draft.  It's hard to tell anyone that they can be drafted to fight in a war, but can't drink or smoke until they're 21.  Of course, that went away and so did the more permissive rules for tobacco and alcohol.

Cells are still dividing in 18-year-olds, and it is quite likely that any carcinogen that one experiences at such an age makes one prone to cancer later more powerfully than the same carcinogen to which one is exposed later. There was a time in which children in their pre-teens were smoking, and fifty years later America had an epidemic of lung cancer. Alcohol is very different from tobacco in that it is a mild drug for adults but a hard one for children. 

The problem with the 18-year-old drinking age was that 18-year-old boys were plying 14-year-old girls with alcohol so that they could have sex with them. 14-year-old girls got pregnant, and that was a disaster.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(02-28-2021, 12:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: In the Social Gospel Awakening, there was a lot of experimenting with free love, more casual dress, new sports and outdoor activities, new kinds of music that opened the way to jazz, new-thought religions that are not fundamentalist and emphasize personal experience, new arts inspired by drug use, etc., along with the prohibition movement, anti-saloon movement, fundamentalist movements, etc. But then, the Consciousness Revolution also had its conservative elements. Awakenings are much more alike than they are different according to the double rhythm.

Thanks for your thoughts.

The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".

So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.
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(03-16-2021, 04:55 AM)Captain Genet Wrote:
(02-28-2021, 12:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: In the Social Gospel Awakening, there was a lot of experimenting with free love, more casual dress, new sports and outdoor activities, new kinds of music that opened the way to jazz, new-thought religions that are not fundamentalist and emphasize personal experience, new arts inspired by drug use, etc., along with the prohibition movement, anti-saloon movement, fundamentalist movements, etc. But then, the Consciousness Revolution also had its conservative elements. Awakenings are much more alike than they are different according to the double rhythm.

Thanks for your thoughts.

The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".

So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.

Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(03-16-2021, 03:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(03-16-2021, 04:55 AM)Captain Genet Wrote:
(02-28-2021, 12:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: In the Social Gospel Awakening, there was a lot of experimenting with free love, more casual dress, new sports and outdoor activities, new kinds of music that opened the way to jazz, new-thought religions that are not fundamentalist and emphasize personal experience, new arts inspired by drug use, etc., along with the prohibition movement, anti-saloon movement, fundamentalist movements, etc. But then, the Consciousness Revolution also had its conservative elements. Awakenings are much more alike than they are different according to the double rhythm.

Thanks for your thoughts.

The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".

So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.

Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.

A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality. 

The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.
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(03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality. 

The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.

If so, then I'm glad I'll be missing it.  The last 2T was a bit chaotic but invigorating.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(03-19-2021, 04:13 AM)Captain Genet Wrote:
(03-16-2021, 03:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(03-16-2021, 04:55 AM)Captain Genet Wrote:
(02-28-2021, 12:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: In the Social Gospel Awakening, there was a lot of experimenting with free love, more casual dress, new sports and outdoor activities, new kinds of music that opened the way to jazz, new-thought religions that are not fundamentalist and emphasize personal experience, new arts inspired by drug use, etc., along with the prohibition movement, anti-saloon movement, fundamentalist movements, etc. But then, the Consciousness Revolution also had its conservative elements. Awakenings are much more alike than they are different according to the double rhythm.

Thanks for your thoughts.

The similar thing for both 2T is that Bohemian, hedonistic trends were more prominent in the beginning and theocratic trends gained momentum later. The differences are the relative strength of these trends, as well as the focus of the theocrats. Missionary fundamentalists focused on imposing Christian morality in public life, Boomer evangelicals focused on a "purrsonal relayshunship wid Jeezus".

So, in next 2T I expect a big party in the late 2040s followed by a crusade in the 2050s.

Civic types do not go for the Bohemian expressions. Economic realities make that impossible during their childhood as Bohemian styles are ridiculed as "old hat". in a Crisis, anything unconventional is suspect, and much is being deemed unconventional, including 3T fads (none of which are bohemian). They may adopt conventional standards of behavior because all else creates personal trouble without offering any compensation. By the time the 1T sets in, the focus is on solving the problems of the Outer World.

A lot of Bohemian trends have become a part of conventional standards of Millennial behaviour. Tattoos. Searching for casual sex partners on Tinder. Rap music. The opposite of all that will be stern, ascetic spirituality. 

The coming 2T will probably have the feel of the clash between early Christians and decadent Roman aristocracy.

I see nothing revolutionary about using new technology to do much the same things that people used to do. Say what you want about e-mail, but it is basically a revival of telegraphy.  Most e-mails are short messages. Tattoos have been around for a long time in America (beginning with American sailors and diffusing more). What is revolutionary is using them for political purposes, especially for discreditable causes such as "WHITE POWER" as I once saw.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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