Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 4 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
the best songs ever
I'm no expert on song titles from 1983, although I'd probably recognize most of the hits. Every Breath You Take by The Police was #1, and I liked it, and I liked even more "Sending out an SOS" (might be from a different year). But I don't want to nominate them as best songs. 1983 was the big year for Michael Jackson's Thriller, and Flashdance. Some good songs, but not my favorites. So, I reach instead for a very obscure one that I learned of from a poster here, who went by Summer in the Fall; very idealistic, and probably gabrielle will call it a song for kids. But I am swept away by the feeling, the singing and the melody. She had some hits too, but unfortunately this song was not one of them. A best song ever (yes, that's in my opinion, Tara)? Maybe.



"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
Reply
The Who had a big hit in 1982, so that's an easy call. Eminence Front. Now used for GMC commercials, introductions of ball players, Grand Theft Auto video games, etc. Because the piano part is just so happenin'





Come and join the party, dress to kill!
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
Reply
(06-08-2016, 11:33 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: A companion song on my way to Houston for my first real job in 1986

Krokus, eh? A cautious thumbs up for that one.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
Reply
(06-09-2016, 12:11 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm no expert on song titles from 1983, although I'd probably recognize most of the hits. Every Breath You Take by The Police was #1, and I liked it, and I liked even more "Sending out an SOS" (might be from a different year). But I don't want to nominate them as best songs. 1983 was the big year for Michael Jackson's Thriller, and Flashdance. Some good songs, but not my favorites. So, I reach instead for a very obscure one that I learned of from a poster here, who went by Summer in the Fall; very idealistic, and probably gabrielle will call it a song for kids. But I am swept away by the feeling, the singing and the melody. She had some hits too, but unfortunately this song was not one of them. A best song ever (yes, that's in my opinion, Tara)? Maybe.



Like i have been saying i do not care if it is your personal opinion. That is the magical word of the day. PERSONAL. I think with you it is like talking to a brick wall. I can see why Galen calls you Obtuse. I have no problem getting through to other people. With you it is like i am speaking another language. I hope you are not an idiot, and just stubborn....hence obtuse. I believe everybody else here understands me except you.
1984 Apollonian Civic
ISFP - The Artist.






Reply
Eric The Green Wrote:Fine song and all, but where's #3?

Well, I seemed to have erred posting late night and all and lost it.  Here it is:





Mark and Mike, two of my older cousins introduced me to that one.

Eric Wrote:There's a commercial out now featuring "School's Out" (I don't think it's the original), and I was thinking, that kind of cool rock sound is not what the actual kids seem to be listening to as they get out for summer. They seem to be listening to Katy Perry and Taylor Swift (or Justin Bieber, or 1D), or Uptown Funk, a very different sound. So are the ad men grafting their own youth onto that of millies? I don't know. But I did like "School's Out" and the sound, and I wonder if the kids are digging that kind of sound as they get out of school this year. Maybe too rebellious and counter-cultural for them?

I'd guess probably both. The Hero/Artist cusp folks who are getting set to come of age are pretty much at the opposite of the archetype cycle than Jonesers.
---Value Added Cool
Reply




Gustav Mahler, "St. Anthony Preaches to the Fishes", from Des Knaben Wunderhorn

Technically this is a Lied and  not a song -- but it catches the hypocrisy that a child might see in the adult world. Saint Anthony, finding the church empty, decides to instead preach to the water creatures (including turtles and crabs which technically are not fish). They listen with rapt attention as he preaches, but after he leaves they return to their old vices.

But they loved the sermon!
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


Reply
(06-09-2016, 01:04 PM)taramarie Wrote: Like i have been saying i do not care if it is your personal opinion. That is the magical word of the day. PERSONAL. I think with you it is like talking to a brick wall. I can see why Galen calls you Obtuse. I have no problem getting through to other people. With you it is like i am speaking another language. I hope you are not an idiot, and just stubborn....hence obtuse. I believe everybody else here understands me except you.

Because you persist in being mean. I guess that's your inclination. You can't be anything but serious, and personal is indeed the word for you, because you take everything personally, can't see humor, and won't let go of a perceived slight. I suggest you get some help for that.

One more mean post from you, and you're on ignore. There's no excuse for your icky behavior. I want to discourage myself from participating in these useless personal arguments. That's what the ignore list is for.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
Reply
(06-09-2016, 07:29 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: That many people who say they don't like Bieber (I don't know who Beiber is) are older, is an objective fact. There are polls on that too. Some of us older folks liking his music anyway is also an objective fact. My statement that it's sometimes prejudice to not like Bieber is my opinion, although in many cases a valid one. Maybe for many, like gabrielle, songs like Good Time and Pray sound like music for kids, and they don't like that. Myself, I am looking past that, and I hear music that I like a lot in some of those songs. I know from all the thousands of you tube covers of Good Time, and the people who sang on them (sometimes thousands in one video), that a lot of them were 20 or 30-somethings. So that's an "objective fact" that many people who liked that popular song were not "kids."

I also know that many Gen X and some older millie listeners are used to stuff that is rough, edgy and cynical, and the upbeat and simple stuff in 4T millie pop doesn't jive with what they have learned to appreciate and which "expresses their experience." To me, the new simpler and upbeat millie pop is sometimes a relief and a joy.

Here is a song from that window of time you consider a void of creativity in popular music.  It has as catchy a tune as any Millennial pop song; its mood just as simple and upbeat (though if you listen closely to the lyrics they seem better suited to the Nomad's more ambivalent childhood/youth experience).

This is also what I would consider "kid's music."  It was our kid's music; my particular cohort (I was probably 11 or 12 when this song was released) was the audience for this type of pop--New Wave synthpop.  It was mainly teens and tweens buying this music in the early to mid 80s, often in cassette form to listen to in their Walkmans.  But to my knowledge, this music did not appeal to core Boomers, at least not to any great extent.  They had simply outgrown this sort of thing.

Not that there's anything wrong with liking simple, upbeat pop music as an adult!  I just think it is a type of music that usually tends to appeal more to children.  Perhaps I was being too harsh calling the Owl City song "awful."



Reply
(06-09-2016, 06:04 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:



Gustav Mahler, "St. Anthony Preaches to the Fishes", from Des Knaben Wunderhorn

Technically this is a Lied and  not a song -- but it catches the hypocrisy that a child might see in the adult world. Saint Anthony, finding the church empty, decides to instead preach to the water creatures (including turtles and crabs which technically are not fish). They listen with rapt attention as he preaches, but after he leaves they return to their old vices.

But they loved the sermon!

Nice, thanks!
Reply
(06-09-2016, 07:41 PM)gabrielle Wrote: Here is a song from that window of time you consider a void of creativity in popular music.  It has as catchy a tune as any Millennial pop song; its mood just as simple and upbeat (though if you listen closely to the lyrics they seem better suited to the Nomad's more ambivalent childhood/youth experience).
The 3T was not a void; I just say it was not as good. It has even more lousy pop than usual (all eras have lousy pop), and the best of it was not as good; as I heard it. Your post is interesting, though. That's a nice try. It's not bad, and has a good rhythm; but the problem for me is that the mood and melody of the song lacks something hard to describe. It wanders, and does not strike fire in my heart. I think that's an attitude of those times. Like other New Wave-era pop it avoids the grand and the dynamic in favor of something else hard to describe. I don't know exactly what a more positive term for it would be. Ambivalent, maybe. Reflecting a bored rejection of the scene they grew up in; preferring an "OK, whatever" attitude to the boomer passions.

Quote:This is also what I would consider "kid's music."  It was our kid's music; my particular cohort (I was probably 11 or 12 when this song was released) was the audience for this type of pop--New Wave synthpop.  It was mainly teens and tweens buying this music in the early to mid 80s, often in cassette form to listen to in their Walkmans.  But to my knowledge, this music did not appeal to core Boomers, at least not to any great extent.  They had simply outgrown this sort of thing.
Really? It didn't strike me as kids' music. Of course, the "New Wave" aspect might be the problem for me, as it tended toward the bland and aimless. But the synthpop part appeals to me; "Good Time" is of course a later example from that same genre. For me, the synthesizers I turned to in the 3T were of course in the New Age genre, rather than the New Wave genre.

Quote:Not that there's anything wrong with liking simple, upbeat pop music as an adult!  I just think it is a type of music that usually tends to appeal more to children.  Perhaps I was being too harsh calling the Owl City song "awful."

That's right. Although in the case of Good Time, it did also appeal to adults.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
Reply
(06-09-2016, 06:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(06-09-2016, 01:04 PM)taramarie Wrote: Like i have been saying i do not care if it is your personal opinion. That is the magical word of the day. PERSONAL. I think with you it is like talking to a brick wall. I can see why Galen calls you Obtuse. I have no problem getting through to other people. With you it is like i am speaking another language. I hope you are not an idiot, and just stubborn....hence obtuse. I believe everybody else here understands me except you.

Because you persist in being mean. I guess that's your inclination. You can't be anything but serious, and personal is indeed the word for you, because you take everything personally, can't see humor, and won't let go of a perceived slight. I suggest you get some help for that.

One more mean post from you, and you're on ignore. There's no excuse for your icky behavior. I want to discourage myself from participating in these useless personal arguments. That's what the ignore list is for.
You would save yourself a lot of trouble if you actually listened to me. I had a valid point. No, this is NOT a "mean" post btw. It is just honest. Like i have been the whole time. You can give but not take. Again, not mean, just honest. How you take it next will determine what you get out of that honesty. At least I know (regarding you anyway) i know i am quite serious. Some people here know me on fb and see all my shades. Light and dark.
1984 Apollonian Civic
ISFP - The Artist.






Reply
(06-09-2016, 07:41 PM)gabrielle Wrote:
(06-09-2016, 07:29 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: That many people who say they don't like Bieber (I don't know who Beiber is) are older, is an objective fact. There are polls on that too. Some of us older folks liking his music anyway is also an objective fact. My statement that it's sometimes prejudice to not like Bieber is my opinion, although in many cases a valid one. Maybe for many, like gabrielle, songs like Good Time and Pray sound like music for kids, and they don't like that. Myself, I am looking past that, and I hear music that I like a lot in some of those songs. I know from all the thousands of you tube covers of Good Time, and the people who sang on them (sometimes thousands in one video), that a lot of them were 20 or 30-somethings. So that's an "objective fact" that many people who liked that popular song were not "kids."

I also know that many Gen X and some older millie listeners are used to stuff that is rough, edgy and cynical, and the upbeat and simple stuff in 4T millie pop doesn't jive with what they have learned to appreciate and which "expresses their experience." To me, the new simpler and upbeat millie pop is sometimes a relief and a joy.

Here is a song from that window of time you consider a void of creativity in popular music.  It has as catchy a tune as any Millennial pop song; its mood just as simple and upbeat (though if you listen closely to the lyrics they seem better suited to the Nomad's more ambivalent childhood/youth experience).

This is also what I would consider "kid's music."  It was our kid's music; my particular cohort (I was probably 11 or 12 when this song was released) was the audience for this type of pop--New Wave synthpop.  It was mainly teens and tweens buying this music in the early to mid 80s, often in cassette form to listen to in their Walkmans.  But to my knowledge, this music did not appeal to core Boomers, at least not to any great extent.  They had simply outgrown this sort of thing.

Not that there's anything wrong with liking simple, upbeat pop music as an adult!  I just think it is a type of music that usually tends to appeal more to children.  Perhaps I was being too harsh calling the Owl City song "awful."



Bugger the link is not available. My location no doubt.
1984 Apollonian Civic
ISFP - The Artist.






Reply
(06-09-2016, 10:11 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-09-2016, 06:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(06-09-2016, 01:04 PM)taramarie Wrote: Like i have been saying i do not care if it is your personal opinion. That is the magical word of the day. PERSONAL. I think with you it is like talking to a brick wall. I can see why Galen calls you Obtuse. I have no problem getting through to other people. With you it is like i am speaking another language. I hope you are not an idiot, and just stubborn....hence obtuse. I believe everybody else here understands me except you.

Because you persist in being mean. I guess that's your inclination. You can't be anything but serious, and personal is indeed the word for you, because you take everything personally, can't see humor, and won't let go of a perceived slight. I suggest you get some help for that.

One more mean post from you, and you're on ignore. There's no excuse for your icky behavior. I want to discourage myself from participating in these useless personal arguments. That's what the ignore list is for.
You would save yourself a lot of trouble if you actually listened to me. I had a valid point. No, this is NOT a "mean" post btw. It is just honest. Like i have been the whole time. You can give but not take. Again, not mean, just honest. How you take it next will determine what you get out of that honesty. At least I know (regarding you anyway) i know i am quite serious. Some people here know me on fb and see all my shades. Light and dark.

I consider the "Obtuse" label a gratuitous insult. When I cite material including the insult I try to undo it.

Distortion of a name into something offensive is a terrible insult. Thus if someone had the user "John Morton" and someone distorted it to "John Moron"... well, such would say more about the person who did the distortion than of "John Morton".
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


Reply
(06-09-2016, 10:17 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(06-09-2016, 10:11 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-09-2016, 06:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(06-09-2016, 01:04 PM)taramarie Wrote: Like i have been saying i do not care if it is your personal opinion. That is the magical word of the day. PERSONAL. I think with you it is like talking to a brick wall. I can see why Galen calls you Obtuse. I have no problem getting through to other people. With you it is like i am speaking another language. I hope you are not an idiot, and just stubborn....hence obtuse. I believe everybody else here understands me except you.

Because you persist in being mean. I guess that's your inclination. You can't be anything but serious, and personal is indeed the word for you, because you take everything personally, can't see humor, and won't let go of a perceived slight. I suggest you get some help for that.

One more mean post from you, and you're on ignore. There's no excuse for your icky behavior. I want to discourage myself from participating in these useless personal arguments. That's what the ignore list is for.
You would save yourself a lot of trouble if you actually listened to me. I had a valid point. No, this is NOT a "mean" post btw. It is just honest. Like i have been the whole time. You can give but not take. Again, not mean, just honest. How you take it next will determine what you get out of that honesty. At least I know (regarding you anyway) i know i am quite serious. Some people here know me on fb and see all my shades. Light and dark.

I consider the "Obtuse" label a gratuitous insult. When I cite material including the insult I try to undo it.

Distortion of a name into something offensive is a terrible insult. Thus if someone had the user "John Morton" and someone distorted it to "John Moron"... well, such would say more about the person who did the distortion than of "John Morton".

I never gave him the label. But i can see now why he has been given it. It is insulting But sometimes insults have a shred of truth to them. At least I can admit when what is said about me is correct. I do agree with you too. It is insulting. I guess it all comes down to is it right to tell the truth or to have decent manners and just ignore him when he fails to open his eyes. Probably the latter. See, least I can actually sit and think about things like this. My own actions. Something Eric can learn from. But, we know well he will not.
1984 Apollonian Civic
ISFP - The Artist.






Reply
Most of us are stubborn about our political beliefs, religious identity, or cultural tastes. Do you really think that I am likely to develop a passion for disco, worship the Devil, or denounce modern art for its modernity? I'm not going to accept creationism or Holocaust denial unless I have a very serious threat of death or severe bodily harm?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


Reply
(06-09-2016, 10:40 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Most of us are stubborn about our political beliefs or cultural tastes.

Naturally and that i have no issue with. What i have been saying all along is where he crosses the line is when he makes remarks like we are not hearing his music correctly (do not have the ear for it) as if there is something wrong with us. Or what he said to someone else and many of us actually that we do not like biebs because he is a kid and because it is "cool" to hate him. Which implies he does not understand that someone could simply not like it. But then he would say we do not have the ear for his music. Maybe he does not for ours? He thinks music being his specialty gives him the higher ground. But that would only be true if he was being objective to the music....but he isn't. He is making it personal. I find no comedy in it tbh. Maybe you can understand my point on this. It is fine for him to like his music...but not to say what i have mentioned. But he has no trouble throwing out his specialty while not being objective, and saying there is something wrong with us for not liking his type of music (not have the ear for it and not believing we do not like it for what it is but rather blame other reasons. Can you see that point? Maybe he does not have the ear for OUR music? Has he thought of that? As i said to him he can give but cannot take. He can have his fave music. I really do not care. But he should know how he comes across when he says silly things like this. But he will ignore and carry on as usual then wonder why i continue to point it out.
1984 Apollonian Civic
ISFP - The Artist.






Reply
In fact in the past when we had this discussion he even admitted he could not see why people could not like what he was into. So i am not incorrect in my assessment of him. He cannot see differences, nor respects it because his degree or experience makes him right apparently. I am serious about this because it is in the same realm of art and i can appreciate that people are different and interpret music differently. Music like art is personal. So this is rather personal.
1984 Apollonian Civic
ISFP - The Artist.






Reply
He then says i can say what i like. . Which shows his insensitivity. He has said this through this debate. Through his approval of groping despite how others took it, including myself (Which i had every right to be upset about because i was molested). If he wants me to stop pointing these things out (aka being mean) self reflection is needed on how he comes across on these issues. Something i have seen most people here are quite capable of. I wonder if he is?
1984 Apollonian Civic
ISFP - The Artist.






Reply
If he wonders what the issues are look below but also he never listens and so i grow frustrated with that. Believe me, i am not the only one who has noticed this of him. He then says others are like that too. Which pretty much means he does not want to fix his error. Cant teach old dogs new tricks evidently! Go ahead and block me Eric if it burns your bum. A man full of nonsense is not worth my time if he cannot listen and have a productive discussion.
1984 Apollonian Civic
ISFP - The Artist.






Reply
(06-09-2016, 10:14 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-09-2016, 07:41 PM)gabrielle Wrote:
(06-09-2016, 07:29 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: That many people who say they don't like Bieber (I don't know who Beiber is) are older, is an objective fact. There are polls on that too. Some of us older folks liking his music anyway is also an objective fact. My statement that it's sometimes prejudice to not like Bieber is my opinion, although in many cases a valid one. Maybe for many, like gabrielle, songs like Good Time and Pray sound like music for kids, and they don't like that. Myself, I am looking past that, and I hear music that I like a lot in some of those songs. I know from all the thousands of you tube covers of Good Time, and the people who sang on them (sometimes thousands in one video), that a lot of them were 20 or 30-somethings. So that's an "objective fact" that many people who liked that popular song were not "kids."

I also know that many Gen X and some older millie listeners are used to stuff that is rough, edgy and cynical, and the upbeat and simple stuff in 4T millie pop doesn't jive with what they have learned to appreciate and which "expresses their experience." To me, the new simpler and upbeat millie pop is sometimes a relief and a joy.

Here is a song from that window of time you consider a void of creativity in popular music.  It has as catchy a tune as any Millennial pop song; its mood just as simple and upbeat (though if you listen closely to the lyrics they seem better suited to the Nomad's more ambivalent childhood/youth experience).

This is also what I would consider "kid's music."  It was our kid's music; my particular cohort (I was probably 11 or 12 when this song was released) was the audience for this type of pop--New Wave synthpop.  It was mainly teens and tweens buying this music in the early to mid 80s, often in cassette form to listen to in their Walkmans.  But to my knowledge, this music did not appeal to core Boomers, at least not to any great extent.  They had simply outgrown this sort of thing.

Not that there's anything wrong with liking simple, upbeat pop music as an adult!  I just think it is a type of music that usually tends to appeal more to children.  Perhaps I was being too harsh calling the Owl City song "awful."



Bugger the link is not available. My location no doubt.

It is "Fascination" by the Human League.
Reply


Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  the best songs ever: the lost years gabrielle 480 122,578 09-02-2019, 04:36 PM
Last Post: Ragnarök_62
  The best 4T songs MillsT_98 75 23,655 05-07-2018, 02:18 PM
Last Post: Eric the Green

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)