Let's make fun of Trump, bash him, etc. while we can!

[playwrite]

(11-10-2016, 08:00 AM)Odin Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 09:17 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:11 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 07:57 PM)Danilynn Wrote: Nah that music was fitting in 2012. Today we need ragtime jazz or swing.

It depends upon your politics. Please!

Can you really excuse a crotch-grabbing rake? A businessman who stiffs subcontractors? Someone who dredges gutter racism that most of us thought outmoded?

Donald Trump is three things that history shows can destroy democracy -- a demagogue, a sociopath, and a kleptocrat. One is enough, and even Hitler was only two of the three. Trump is all three.

All in all, I now wish that Mitt Romney had won in 2012. We would thus be spared the four-year nightmare that  we now face. I wish that I could emigrate today.

To the Trump voter it does not matter. Trump touted (or purported to tout) the virtues of the "real American" (meaning, anti-intellectual, Anglo-Saxon traditionalist or, those from other backgrounds who normed to that). To be clear, I have railed against intellectuals at times - read Paul Johnson's "Intellectuals" for that reference point. Nonetheless, to reject intellectualism outright is dumb, and makes us all weaker in sum total. So, I will fight for the intellectual, just like I will for the lower educated worker and anyone in between. In any case, not only did he tout the anti-intellectual "real American," he also slimed the "uppity" urbane, slightly bitchy, moderne woman of power. (Bear with me, I'm working some archetypes here). Clinton fit the bill. He also sliimed the dapper, well educated, half American half Kenyan sophisticate. "Where's the birth certificate?" Vile stereotypes resonate with the masses of angry, overworked, downscaled, especially if they hail in some fashion from the Anglo-Saxon traditionalist or Northern variant, the formerly well paid white "ethnic" (e.g. 58 Flat's "hardhats"). "Wow, a politician who talks like me and my buds getting drunk! Speaking truth to power! YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!"

Any questions?

Don't forget a lot of rhetoric on the activist Left essentially implying that it would be best if working class white people simply ceased to exist.

The Culture Wars never ended, they morphed into a more virulent and potentially violent form, the Demographic Wars. Each half of the country hates the other half for merely existing.

You need to listen better.

It's not wanting them to 'simply cease to exist;' it's wanting them to grasp reality so they can join us in actually solving the problems they have.

Blaming Black or Brown people, or women, or the government is simply stupid.  Putting up walls to keep the world from creeping in is even more moronic - just ask the Soviet Union.

[Eric the Green]

(11-10-2016, 07:53 AM)Odin Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:36 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Well brower is right of course, but I was wrong in my prediction (non-astrological) from the early years of the forum, that HRC would be the gray champion. That dream is over. Now we get a nightmare.

Hateful condescension from big city folks like you helped create this nightmare, Eric. I sure hope you are happy.

THEY created it, and you created it by shifting the blame from them to folks like me. I hope you are happy.

The deplorables deserve all the condemnation possible.

[Classic-Xer]

(11-10-2016, 01:04 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 09:38 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:10 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:05 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 07:52 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: So basically nothing will change.

Not quite. It will accelerate.

I expect the Republican Party and the economic elites behind it to do everything possible to maintain power and leave any ideological alternative, including a humanistic liberalism, blocked out of relevance indefinitely.

In the end the pathology makes a socialist insurrection possible in the event of a crop failure  (like global warming that isn't happening), an economic meltdown, or a war for profits going badly

One Yuge problem with that theory bro.  The GOP elites hate Trump and Trump's base.  They will be absorbed by the Democrats most likely because the party's have switched coats again.  I would have thought you'd have noticed that she sounded like the Goldwater girl she always was and he sounds like a Jack Kennedy Democrat.

-- b4 the Donald ran 4 prez he was a Dem

More specifically -- the Republican Party needs the votes, It will never get  them from humanistic liberals unless the Democrats nominate someone as cranky as Trump.

Donald Trump will quickly go to the orthodox part of the Republican party upon inauguration. He will not be seeking votes until 2020... so he can betray his erstwhile supporters at will as he does everything that the Corporate wing wants, transforming America into a pure plutocracy that entrenches power  forever and ensures that liberals will be forever irrelevant in American political life.

Expect this horrible man to include hypocrisy and betrayal among his repertory of evil. He no more cares about the common man than he cares about a sea anemone.  He might as well say "Suffer for my greed, peons!" after he is inaugurated.

2018 should be a slam-dunk tor Republicans with the likeli9hood of picking up a couple of Senate seats and maybe some House seats due to low turnout by people who have largely lost faith in the American political process.

I have no faith in 2020. Democracy in America that depends upon a contest of ideas could be dead that year and afterward. From then on we might as well be a single-party dictatorship until the dissolution of the USA, most likely in World War III.

He will be spending the next 4 years earning the votes (the trust) of the voters that he will need to be re-elected in 2020. That's right, he will actually be EARNING the votes vs expecting to receive them like the Democrats. Democrats have moved so far a way from the concept of working and earning that they no longer relate to those who have worked and earned everything that they have. There's your gap, a gap that racist, fascist and whatever deplorable term that you use isn't going to slice into or influence. The party of the wealthy blue uppity (playdude) and the welfare recipient (Odin & Eric) with government workers (Wonk) and an ever shrinking pool of private sector workers (minority white/blue collar) in between is positioned to be in big trouble as far as the upcoming 4t is concerned

[Eric the Green]

When you lose your business in the next recession, Classic, you may find yourself in trouble too.

[Kinser79]

(11-10-2016, 11:21 AM)playwrite Wrote: Jackson caused an economic depression that most economic historians believe was worse than that of the 1930s- his legacy is protected by the lack of modern economic indicators; otherwise, he would likely hold the number one or two spots of the worse Presidents (2nd or 3rd, once Trump is done with us)>

Would it be those same economists who think one can spend their way into prosperity?

Quote:What's happened in the last 48 hours?

Record highs on the DJIA.

Quote:I've added about a half a million in personal wealth and the trust that I'm a board member, millions.  You?

Good for you.  I was able to take advantage of the post-election buying opportunity myself.  And since I should be able to pass on most of those prudent investments and savings on to my son I'm sure he can expand that wealth.

Quote:That's because the financial elites see what's coming is tax cuts that will, by far, mostly benefit them particularly repatriation; deregulation that will in particular unleash the big banks again; and financial asset inflation that will woo the gullible public, worried about keeping-up, back into riskier and riskier assets - first, the equity markets but eventually they'll unleash the mortgage-making sweatshops and blow-up the RE bubble again.  The churn, baby, the churn.

Then comes the longer term promised stuff like Trump's Smoot-Hawley tariffs on steroids.  Much of it will not actually happen, but the mere possibilities will roll the markets and trigger something much worse than an economy barely moving because of a lack of demand (note - for those with functioning brains, see automation and income disparity, you think any of that is going to change?).  Don't worry, the elites will have plenty of warning and gas the markets just enough to get even the most conservative savers left fully invested and holding the bag.  Then, when the bubble bursts, its pennies on the dollar as they carpetbag the rubes, and another big spike in widening the gap - funny how that happens under every GOP Administration.

You, and the other country bumpkins, will be wondering what happened, again.  Where's my job that I was promised, man?  Where is that big raise I was promised by the Donald?  Why doesn't anyone in government (much smaller now) care?  Didn't Breitbart promise Nirvana???  It must be the big evil government! Obamacare!  Benghazi!  Thanks, Obama!  Oh wait, those are not there any more.

There'll be a few of you that will fall off the turnip truck and look around perhaps for the first time at reality. But there's a huge industry, funded by the financial elites, that's going to keep you telling yourself that its just another "Other," another boogeyman Libitard doing evil on ya, I tells ya!

Sometimes I wish I wasn't a bleeding heart Liberal and could instead just sit back and enjoy the show... and the money.  But, its just such a hassle to change political party.

So your argument is that the financial elites seeing someone who would implement policies that would benefit him oppose hims because <reasons>.

I won't address the rest of your babble because it is all nonsense you have strung together in a desperate attempt to appear to be more intelligent then you actually are.

As for country bumpkins:

[pbrower2a]

(11-10-2016, 05:42 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(11-10-2016, 02:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Protests are springing up, the "beginning of the anti-Trump resistance." For some of them, once he's in office, a penal term may be what they literally face.

Through the presidential campaign period, I've thought the Trump campaign was behind a racist and sexist spiral of rhetoric with some violence.  Black Lives Matter had another such spiral going, for the most part unrelated.  I hadn't been too worried about either spiral under my "It takes two to spiral" theory.  Things are most apt to escalate if words or violence by one side inspires the other side to even more virulent words or violence in response.  The spiral grows out of control when one side tries to establish firm dominance and intimidation over the other.

The "not my president" movement might become the other side of a spiral opposing Trump's southern strategy stuff.  Thus far NMP is more marching and chanting, no riots.  However, I would rate it as a notable development.

In Clinton 42's time, the Waco - Ruby Ridge - OKC spiral died out after new rules of engagement were given to federal law enforcement agencies.  The FBI, BATF and others were to avoid use of force when dealing with right wing militia and religious groups.  It is possible that Trump will not use the same approach.  He gets angry at opposition and tends to lash out.  If there is a denial of First Amendment rights to speech and protest, this could irk a lot of folk big time.  The word 'fascist' has been thrown around lightly in my opinion, but suppressing protests might justify it, even in my eyes.

Just something to watch.

Our political system does not well respond to popular protests. We have long sessions of Congress, much unlike a parliamentary system in which governments get dissolved for votes of no confidence as well as in regular elections. We have only regular elections. If people vote in a Senator who becomes increasingly aloof and extreme, then we are stuck with that Senator for six years. We at most have impeachment... and Donald Trump would have to do a literal crime to be impeached. Republican majorities will not impeach him.

Our Presidency, Congress, and most state legislatures can make about 45% of the electorate irrelevant for at least two, and probably four years. Maybe if all we liberals have is street protests against despotic tendencies in the President and officials who simply obey their financial backers, then all that we can do is go to the street.

We are more likely to have a government that outlaws its opposition (in which case we have a blatantly-undemocratic system) than to compel change in that government.  Don't expect a Carnation Revolution as in Portugal in the 1970s or a Velvet Revolution as in Czechoslovakia in 1989 to topple an out-of-touch, rigidly authoritarian regime.

Do we need a revolution? Not yet -- at least not with Obama as President.

Donald Trump will be one of the basest, vilest leaders in the world. He will be a right-wing version of Maduro in Venezuela or Mugabe in Zimbabwe. Just wait until Congress does the bidding of Big Business (don't fool yourself --- Donald Trump will sell out the working-class people who voted for him because he will not need their votes again until 2020) at the expense of everyone else and has.

A despotic President and a stooge Congress puts us in much the same position as Massachusetts in 1775, and different parts of the country (especially New England, New York, Virginia, and the West Coast) will be far better prepared, psychologically and intellectually, for demanding a responsible government.

We do not live in a democracy. Lobbyists are the real power in Congress, and they serve people who would be perfectly happy with a fascist order without unions, protests, liberal professors, and television journalists like Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow. (If those two run for their lives, then we are deep into a spiral of violence  even if we got into it at breakneck speed). A government that waterboards foreign 'terrorists' can turn quickly to doing much the same to political dissidents. Beware also of the abuse of psychiatric hospitals for political dissidents as occurred in the old Soviet Union.

For me to like the Trump message I would need a lobotomy. If such becomes a prospect, then maybe I need to go to San Jose -- not California, but Costa Rica. Or maybe a more exotic location if I should be in fear of a peripatetic secret police that goes to obvious locations. India looks lie a climatic Hell, but that could never be as bad as some new gulag in the Dakotas.

Any attempt to overthrow  the elected government of the United States is by definition treason... but what happens when the government becomes despotic?

We know what these words mean:

Quote:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

We may be approaching that situation, except that the President and the stooge Congress take the role of George III and the corrupt British Parliament. Our Founding Fathers distrusted a Parliament -- but the British eventually got the bugs out of it (especially the infamous "rotten boroughs" that the King stuffed with his parliamentary flunkies).


Welcome to the '70s. The 1770s, that is. We will not need a Constitutional struggle to determine a form of government. This one is a response to another catastrophic failure of democratic government. It closes many loopholes that experts saw even in our system. Considering what had gone on in that country between 1932 and 1945, nobody had any desire to preserve any loopholes for tyranny.

Translation should be straightforward.

[playwrite]

(11-10-2016, 12:30 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-10-2016, 11:21 AM)playwrite Wrote: Jackson caused an economic depression that most economic historians believe was worse than that of the 1930s- his legacy is protected by the lack of modern economic indicators; otherwise, he would likely hold the number one or two spots of the worse Presidents (2nd or 3rd, once Trump is done with us)>

Would it be those same economists who think one can spend their way into prosperity?

Quote:What's happened in the last 48 hours?

Record highs on the DJIA.

Quote:I've added about a half a million in personal wealth and the trust that I'm a board member, millions.  You?

Good for you.  I was able to take advantage of the post-election buying opportunity myself.  And since I should be able to pass on most of those prudent investments and savings on to my son I'm sure he can expand that wealth.

Quote:That's because the financial elites see what's coming is tax cuts that will, by far, mostly benefit them particularly repatriation; deregulation that will in particular unleash the big banks again; and financial asset inflation that will woo the gullible public, worried about keeping-up, back into riskier and riskier assets - first, the equity markets but eventually they'll unleash the mortgage-making sweatshops and blow-up the RE bubble again.  The churn, baby, the churn.

Then comes the longer term promised stuff like Trump's Smoot-Hawley tariffs on steroids.  Much of it will not actually happen, but the mere possibilities will roll the markets and trigger something much worse than an economy barely moving because of a lack of demand (note - for those with functioning brains, see automation and income disparity, you think any of that is going to change?).  Don't worry, the elites will have plenty of warning and gas the markets just enough to get even the most conservative savers left fully invested and holding the bag.  Then, when the bubble bursts, its pennies on the dollar as they carpetbag the rubes, and another big spike in widening the gap - funny how that happens under every GOP Administration.

You, and the other country bumpkins, will be wondering what happened, again.  Where's my job that I was promised, man?  Where is that big raise I was promised by the Donald?  Why doesn't anyone in government (much smaller now) care?  Didn't Breitbart promise Nirvana???  It must be the big evil government! Obamacare!  Benghazi!  Thanks, Obama!  Oh wait, those are not there any more.

There'll be a few of you that will fall off the turnip truck and look around perhaps for the first time at reality. But there's a huge industry, funded by the financial elites, that's going to keep you telling yourself that its just another "Other," another boogeyman Libitard doing evil on ya, I tells ya!

Sometimes I wish I wasn't a bleeding heart Liberal and could instead just sit back and enjoy the show... and the money.  But, its just such a hassle to change political party.

So your argument is that the financial elites seeing someone who would implement policies that would benefit him oppose hims because <reasons>.

I won't address the rest of your babble because it is all nonsense you have strung together in a desperate attempt to appear to be more intelligent then you actually are.

As for country bumpkins:

Let's just hope your new portfolio goes up enough to cover your $7 trading cost.

I didn't expect you to get the "babble" or attempt a response.  You're destiny lies with staying on that turnip truck.

[Eric the Green]

That's right brower; Trump cannot be impeached. Republicans have not the slightest interest in law; only in getting their way. Just like Galen, Kinser and Classic Xer here. Trump can do anything he wants. Put people in jail, violate rights; anything he wants without fear of impeachment. He can get away with much from his new Supreme Court too, but perhaps not with everything. But what happens when the Court handcuffs him, and he and his hencemen don't obey? What then? Who will the army obey? If they obey Trump, it's a coup.

[Classic-Xer]

(11-10-2016, 12:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: When you lose your business in the next recession, Classic, you may find yourself in trouble too.

I survived the great Recession and the recessions that preceded it. I'm sitting on a decent pile of cash and new assets that are free and clear. Heating is a necessity. Cooling is considered to be a necessity in today's world. The people (the market) that I do business with aren't the types of people who waste their money on foolish things, sacrifice their productive years for liberal causes or their silly socialist beliefs. I'll be fine. How about you, are you going to be fine? Do you have enough wealthy young uppity who claim to care and vote as if they seem to provide for you. Me, I happen believe that if you took Katie Perry's money and property away via socialism that she earned from capitalism that she'd turn red and begin singing for Trump.

[pbrower2a]

(11-10-2016, 07:53 AM)Odin Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:36 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Well brower is right of course, but I was wrong in my prediction (non-astrological) from the early years of the forum, that HRC would be the gray champion. That dream is over. Now we get a nightmare.

Hateful condescension from big city folks like you helped create this nightmare, Eric. I sure hope you are happy.

True. We educated liberals need to realign with the working man and his economic interests. I'm not sure that we are going to start loving country music, tabloid media, Ultimate Fighting, and reality TV...

We generally have a wider depth of cultural experiences, and my use of Verdi's Requiem (I could have used the Ninth symphony of Anton Bruckner and the Tenth Symphony of Dmitri Shostakovich) to express my feeling of the electoral disaster of November 8 meld some combination of mourning and terror that I consider applicable today.

I expect to make trips into Canada, and it will be safe to assume that the recorded music that I listen to in Canada will generally be much brighter than what I play on my car stereo after I return to the  America. I will likely send postcards that say things like "Greetings from Calgary" that I will alter to read "Greetings from FREE Calgary".

... now, on culture. It would be best if working-class white people started recognizing that paying more attention to formal education would be good for their image to secular liberals. We educated white liberals recognize what we have in common with educated blacks, Hispanics, and Asians -- and of a bigger cultural divide with white people who read the National Inquirer. Sorry about the cultural arrogance, but we educated liberals generally have exposure to a richer array of cultural expression.

Donald Trump appealed to the rubes to whom nobody defers for cultural wisdom. But don;t worry -- he will betray them fast. After all, American politics is now about nothing other than the enhancement of economic power of economic elites at the expense of everyone else.

I do not play the lotteries, but if I had to choose between buying a $50 lottery ticket for the Super Duper Megabucks Lotto or voting for Donald Trump... I'd buy the lottery ticket.Buying a lottery ticket is far more rational because there seems to be something to win.

[Kinser79]

(11-10-2016, 01:19 PM)playwrite Wrote: Let's just hope your new portfolio goes up enough to cover your $7 trading cost.

I'm sure it will. But who says my portfolio is new? I've been investing and saving since I started working at age 14. You've heard of work haven't you? That is people doing things to get money besides having money to start with.

Quote:I didn't expect you to get the "babble" or attempt a response.  You're destiny lies with staying on that turnip truck.

If I believed you to be self-aware, which I don't, I'd make a claim that it is because I was right. It was babble designed to make yourself look more intelligent then you really are. Stephan Molyneux would call such a person a sophist. Fortunately for me you are not self-aware, a trait you share with most bleeding hearts, sjws and other sundry scum, so you don't realize that everyone with more than two functioning brain cells sees right through you. Which means that of the posters on this board, you're fooling nobody--not even Eric. And Eric is a fool.

[JonLaw]

(11-10-2016, 12:10 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-10-2016, 07:53 AM)Odin Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:36 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Well brower is right of course, but I was wrong in my prediction (non-astrological) from the early years of the forum, that HRC would be the gray champion. That dream is over. Now we get a nightmare.

Hateful condescension from big city folks like you helped create this nightmare, Eric. I sure hope you are happy.

THEY created it, and you created it by shifting the blame from them to folks like me. I hope you are happy.

The deplorables deserve all the condemnation possible.

Condescension from the urban areas against the rural populations definitely helped Trump to get elected.

[Bob Butler 54]

(11-10-2016, 02:00 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: If I believed you to be self-aware, which I don't, I'd make a claim that it is because I was right.  It was babble designed to make yourself look more intelligent then you really are.  Stephan Molyneux would call such a person a sophist.  Fortunately for me you are not self-aware, a trait you share with most bleeding hearts, sjws and other sundry scum, so you don't realize that everyone with more than two functioning brain cells sees right through you.  Which means that of the posters on this board, you're fooling nobody--not even Eric.  And Eric is a fool.

I've heard one test for self awareness used by scientists, mostly on animals. One dabs a little paint on the face of the individual being tested, then holds up a mirror so the individual can see the face with its paint. A self aware individual will generally try to wipe off the paint. A less developed individual will interpret the mirror as being another individual, and might attack or initiate some sort of social interactions with the perceived other individual.

Maybe we should ask Playwrite to perform the test on himself?

There is another test. I'm not sure what the test is for, exactly. One states a political opinion. If the individual hearing the opinion launches insults and other social attacks, there is something wrong with the individual launching the personal attack. I'm not sure I can properly describe what the test tests without failing the test.

[Classic-Xer]

(11-10-2016, 01:19 PM)playwrite Wrote:

(11-10-2016, 12:30 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-10-2016, 11:21 AM)playwrite Wrote: Jackson caused an economic depression that most economic historians believe was worse than that of the 1930s- his legacy is protected by the lack of modern economic indicators; otherwise, he would likely hold the number one or two spots of the worse Presidents (2nd or 3rd, once Trump is done with us)>

Would it be those same economists who think one can spend their way into prosperity?

Quote:What's happened in the last 48 hours?

Record highs on the DJIA.

Quote:I've added about a half a million in personal wealth and the trust that I'm a board member, millions.  You?

Good for you.  I was able to take advantage of the post-election buying opportunity myself.  And since I should be able to pass on most of those prudent investments and savings on to my son I'm sure he can expand that wealth.

Quote:That's because the financial elites see what's coming is tax cuts that will, by far, mostly benefit them particularly repatriation; deregulation that will in particular unleash the big banks again; and financial asset inflation that will woo the gullible public, worried about keeping-up, back into riskier and riskier assets - first, the equity markets but eventually they'll unleash the mortgage-making sweatshops and blow-up the RE bubble again.  The churn, baby, the churn.

Then comes the longer term promised stuff like Trump's Smoot-Hawley tariffs on steroids.  Much of it will not actually happen, but the mere possibilities will roll the markets and trigger something much worse than an economy barely moving because of a lack of demand (note - for those with functioning brains, see automation and income disparity, you think any of that is going to change?).  Don't worry, the elites will have plenty of warning and gas the markets just enough to get even the most conservative savers left fully invested and holding the bag.  Then, when the bubble bursts, its pennies on the dollar as they carpetbag the rubes, and another big spike in widening the gap - funny how that happens under every GOP Administration.

You, and the other country bumpkins, will be wondering what happened, again.  Where's my job that I was promised, man?  Where is that big raise I was promised by the Donald?  Why doesn't anyone in government (much smaller now) care?  Didn't Breitbart promise Nirvana???  It must be the big evil government! Obamacare!  Benghazi!  Thanks, Obama!  Oh wait, those are not there any more.

There'll be a few of you that will fall off the turnip truck and look around perhaps for the first time at reality. But there's a huge industry, funded by the financial elites, that's going to keep you telling yourself that its just another "Other," another boogeyman Libitard doing evil on ya, I tells ya!

Sometimes I wish I wasn't a bleeding heart Liberal and could instead just sit back and enjoy the show... and the money.  But, its just such a hassle to change political party.

So your argument is that the financial elites seeing someone who would implement policies that would benefit him oppose hims because <reasons>.

I won't address the rest of your babble because it is all nonsense you have strung together in a desperate attempt to appear to be more intelligent then you actually are.

As for country bumpkins:

Let's just hope your new portfolio goes up enough to cover your $7 trading cost.

I didn't expect you to get the "babble" or attempt a response.  You're destiny lies with staying on that turnip truck.

I've never blamed the black or brown people, or women, or the rich, or other white people, or the government for any of my poor decisions, dumb ideas or my personal problems. I was raised with character. Gee, you raise a kid with a silver spoon and provide them with whatever they want or need and bail them out every time they fuck up or get themselves in trouble and we get an idiot like you. An idiot who doesn't understand why he has no power and influence over half the people. Who needs millions to survive? Do you need millions to survive? If you do, I'd hate to be you in the upcoming years.

[Webmaster]

Things haven't gotten out of control yet but i know emotions are high, so please refrain from any personal insults.

[Kinser79]

(11-10-2016, 01:48 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-10-2016, 07:53 AM)Odin Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:36 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Well brower is right of course, but I was wrong in my prediction (non-astrological) from the early years of the forum, that HRC would be the gray champion. That dream is over. Now we get a nightmare.

Hateful condescension from big city folks like you helped create this nightmare, Eric. I sure hope you are happy.

True. We educated liberals need to realign with the working man and his economic interests.

That isn't possible unless one comes to fundamentally understand the character of the American Nation and the working men and women of that nation. Of course for that you'd have to realize that they already understand that socialism is great and all until you run out of other people's money.

The working man and woman don't want hand outs they want jobs, jobs that they can take pride in and raise their families on. The best welfare program going is called a Job.

Quote: I'm not sure that we are going to start loving country music, tabloid media, Ultimate Fighting, and reality TV...

I don't think anyone is asking you to. I'm certainly not. In fact most of what passes for "country music" these days is absolutely dreadful. Hence why I used Hank Williams Jr as a cultural refrence in my post above instead of someone more recent. I remember hearing that song the first time when I was 8 or 10 so that puts it in the late 1980s.

Tabloid media is a creation of the left itself. It is a creation of your so-called educated liberals. It doesn't intrest anyone except the most ignorant of the proles. Hence why Infowars and Breitbart are growing exponientially. Reality TV is dead--then again TV is dead. Ultimate Fighting though is good, but then again they were having games all the way to 476.

Quote:We generally have a wider depth of cultural experiences, and my use of Verdi's Requiem (I could have used the Ninth symphony of Anton Bruckner and the Tenth Symphony of Dmitri Shostakovich) to express my feeling of the electoral disaster of November 8 meld some combination of mourning and terror that I consider applicable today.

I wouldn't call what happened on Tuesday a disaster. Rather I'd say that the republic has been saved. My only fear is that the powers that be will assassinate Gracchus. When the reformers aren't allowed to reform the death of the state becomes inevitable. Let the man do his work if you want the Republic to be saved, otherwise we'll have an Empire and those always fail eventually.

Quote:I expect to make trips into Canada, and it will be safe to assume that the recorded music that I listen to in Canada will generally be much brighter than what I play on my car stereo after I return to the  America. I will likely send postcards that say things like "Greetings from Calgary" that I will alter to read "Greetings from FREE Calgary".

By all means go to Canada. I highly doubt you will though you seem to have difficulty moving your carcass to a bus station to go to Chicago. If anything the Canadians will be desiring to come here soon. Trudeau is busy wrecking the place...but then again he is one of your educated liberals. Educated beyond his means perhaps.

Quote:... now, on culture. It would be best if working-class white people started recognizing that paying more attention to formal education would be good for their image to secular liberals. We educated white liberals recognize what we have in common with educated blacks, Hispanics, and Asians -- and of a bigger cultural divide with white people who read the National Inquirer. Sorry about the cultural arrogance, but we educated liberals generally have exposure to a richer array of cultural expression.

Perhaps it would be a good idea for educated liberals to stop looking down their noses at working class people regardless their race. It is kind of hard to hear whatever points you might have when you're busy deriding our tastes or lack thereof. Appologize all you want, it won't be accepted until the behavior changes--which is how apologies actually work. Not that you'd learn that in a university, typically that is something the working class learns at home or in kindergarten at the latest.

As for the commonalities between the races I think you overstate them. Educated Blacks, Latinos (Hispanic IS NOT A RACIAL DESIGNATION as I've explained to you a billion times), and Asians understand something about the bourgeois and petty-bourgeois educated white liberal that they (educated white liberals) don't understand about themselves. They understand that they are perhaps the most racist whites around.

Quote:Donald Trump appealed to the rubes to whom nobody defers for cultural wisdom. But don;t worry -- he will betray them fast. After all, American politics is now about nothing other than the enhancement of economic power of economic elites at the expense of everyone else.

Strange that is exactly the same tactic that Democrats have been using for 50 years. Methinks the lady doth project much. Of course then Vox Day did say that sjws always lie and sjws always project. Sjws are but a subset of educated white liberals.

Quote:I do not play the lotteries, but if I had to choose between buying a $50 lottery ticket for the Super Duper Megabucks Lotto or voting for Donald Trump... I'd buy the lottery ticket.Buying a lottery ticket is far more rational because there seems to be something to win.

Well apparently your education was wasted then since it seems you don't understand mathematics. With HRC it was the status quo which is losing for the working class. With the Super Duper Megabucks lotto there is more of a chance of winning there than there is of winning with the status quo remaining intact.

I heard a really smart guy said something once about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results being the definition of inanity but what do I know I'm just a poor ignorant negro with no college edgebucashun.

[Kinser79]

(11-10-2016, 02:11 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: There is another test. I'm not sure what the test is for, exactly. One states a political opinion. If the individual hearing the opinion launches insults and other social attacks, there is something wrong with the individual launching the personal attack. I'm not sure I can properly describe what the test tests without failing the test.

I don't know. Perhaps we should get Playdude to actually express a political opinion of his own creation. Assuming he could do so without referencing DNC propaganda. I don't have high hopes of ever conducting such a test.

[Classic-Xer]

(11-10-2016, 02:11 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(11-10-2016, 02:00 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: If I believed you to be self-aware, which I don't, I'd make a claim that it is because I was right.  It was babble designed to make yourself look more intelligent then you really are.  Stephan Molyneux would call such a person a sophist.  Fortunately for me you are not self-aware, a trait you share with most bleeding hearts, sjws and other sundry scum, so you don't realize that everyone with more than two functioning brain cells sees right through you.  Which means that of the posters on this board, you're fooling nobody--not even Eric.  And Eric is a fool.

I've heard one test for self awareness used by scientists, mostly on animals.  One dabs a little paint on the face of the individual being tested, then holds up a mirror so the individual can see the face with its paint.  A self aware individual will generally try to wipe off the paint.  A less developed individual will interpret the mirror as being another individual, and might attack or initiate some sort of social interactions with the perceived other individual.

Maybe we should ask Playwrite to perform the test on himself?

There is another test.  I'm not sure what the test is for, exactly.  One states a political opinion.  If the individual hearing the opinion launches insults and other social attacks, there is something wrong with the individual launching the personal attack.  I'm not sure I can properly describe what the test tests without failing the test.

Playdude would refuse to take the test. If playdude was standing on a cliff penny less, he 'd jump because playdude doesn't have what it takes to succeed or survive in my world. You would be wise to remove deplorable people like playdude before your party is completely destroyed by them. The blue cloak was removed during this election.

[pbrower2a]

(11-10-2016, 01:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-10-2016, 12:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: When you lose your business in the next recession, Classic, you may find yourself in trouble too.

I survived the great Recession and the recessions that preceded it. I'm sitting on a decent pile of cash and new assets that are free and clear. Heating is a necessity. Cooling is considered to be a necessity in today's world. The people (the market) that I do business with aren't the types of people who waste their money on foolish things, sacrifice their productive years for liberal causes or their silly socialist beliefs. I'll be fine. How about you, are you going to be fine? Do you have enough wealthy young uppity who claim to care and vote as if they seem to provide for you. Me, I happen believe that if you took Katie Perry's money and property away via socialism that she earned from capitalism that she'd turn red and begin singing for Trump.

You chose a good life-course. Congratulations!

How do you know your customers' political beliefs unless they tell you or you see bumper stickers, yard signs, or political buttons? Maybe as soon as people hear your reactionary beliefs they shut up.

Where I live, the Republican Party is mostly about banning abortion, outlawing same-sex marriage, and the veneration of firearms. I heard one supporter of the Trumpenstein monster say that and add that such was "God's Law". OK, so when did God tell him that? (We came close to a fight, and I got away from his fist).

Nothing so promotes socialism of the most dangerous variety (Marxism-Leninism) then a capitalist order that recognizes no responsibility of big landowners and industrialists to employees. Marxism-Leninism offers to jump-start economic development by getting the selfish and rapacious landlord or industrialist out of the system so that there can be more for the worker and more to invest in industry. With capitalism at its worst, the indulgence of elites is the sole objective of society.

Capitalism survives only to the extent that the non-capitalist, especially the worker, has a stake in the system. As an operator of a small independent business your survival as such may depend upon your society not fitting the Marxist caricature of capitalism.

[pbrower2a]

(11-10-2016, 02:30 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-10-2016, 02:11 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: There is another test.  I'm not sure what the test is for, exactly.  One states a political opinion.  If the individual hearing the opinion launches insults and other social attacks, there is something wrong with the individual launching the personal attack.  I'm not sure I can properly describe what the test tests without failing the test.

I don't know.  Perhaps we should get Playdude to actually express a political opinion of his own creation.  Assuming he could do so without referencing DNC propaganda.  I don't have high hopes of ever conducting such a test.

There are fighting words. Praise Hitler in the presence of a Jew and you can expect extreme hostility. In fact, praise Hitler in front of any decent person and you can expect extreme hostility.

It is more ambiguous with someone well known but controversial, like Jimmy Carter or Margaret Thatcher.  Good people might disagree on both of them.

The DNC? It's now in hibernation, and it is clueless of what may be the beginning of the end of itself and the Party itself. I have a fear that the Republican Party will morph into an authoritarian, monopoly party like the old Spanish Phalanx of Francisco Franco and shut out or control any opposition indefinitely. We shall see soon enough.

Falangismo? That might be the course of the Republican Party.