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the best songs ever: the lost years
(09-07-2016, 06:53 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: You have your quote attributions mixed up, Copperfield, or gabrielle. This post above has ME saying Bieber's song is dreadful and that he has no talent! And besides, this belongs on the 4T music thread, Copperfield. Well, whatever, no worries.

What this shows though, is that good artists can take a song that is masked by an ugly sound and performance, and bring out some of its inherent qualities. I of course don't think Bieber is without talent or has an ugly sound, and I don't even know if I like this version better myself than Bieber's version, although Copperfield apparently does; but this at least shows his song is good enough for another artist to bring out qualities beyond the original that others might like better. The same was true with how Tori Amos brought out good inherent qualities in the Nirvana song that I could not hear in Nirvana's ugly performance. And it did make me feel a bit better about Nirvana and Cobain as an artist. And the same should be applied to Bieber, if he wrote a good song that another artist can make palatable to those who don't like Bieber's performances. If someone can do that, then Bieber is not "without talent."

Yes, I am opinionated. Deal with it Wink

Yay, progress!  Hopefully eventually you'll be able to "feel a bit better" about Gen X and 3T music in general.
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I dedicate the album cover to Tipper Gore, one the most despicable hags around. Cool Big Grin Tongue



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(09-07-2016, 10:47 PM)gabrielle Wrote:
(09-07-2016, 06:53 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: You have your quote attributions mixed up, Copperfield, or gabrielle. This post above has ME saying Bieber's song is dreadful and that he has no talent! And besides, this belongs on the 4T music thread, Copperfield. Well, whatever, no worries.

What this shows though, is that good artists can take a song that is masked by an ugly sound and performance, and bring out some of its inherent qualities. I of course don't think Bieber is without talent or has an ugly sound, and I don't even know if I like this version better myself than Bieber's version, although Copperfield apparently does; but this at least shows his song is good enough for another artist to bring out qualities beyond the original that others might like better. The same was true with how Tori Amos brought out good inherent qualities in the Nirvana song that I could not hear in Nirvana's ugly performance. And it did make me feel a bit better about Nirvana and Cobain as an artist. And the same should be applied to Bieber, if he wrote a good song that another artist can make palatable to those who don't like Bieber's performances. If someone can do that, then Bieber is not "without talent."

Yes, I am opinionated. Deal with it Wink

Yay, progress!  Hopefully eventually you'll be able to "feel a bit better" about Gen X and 3T music in general.

As long as the grungy and noisy stuff is well-covered by others, it's possible in some cases!
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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Eric The Green Wrote:Yes, I am opinionated. Deal with it Wink

Yeah, I know.

gabrielle Wrote:Yay, progress!  Hopefully eventually you'll be able to "feel a bit better" about Gen X and 3T music in general.

Eh, who needs to live in a 4T when Youtube can send you back to the 3T when live was funner.[/quote]





Eric The Green Wrote:As long as the grungy and noisy stuff is well-covered by others, it's possible in some cases!

The above is the closest to noisy and grungy I can find for you.
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Thanks for the warning. No fun.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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One awesome thing leads to another on youtube:

Ugly Kid Joe -> Kix (much better than that cereal stuff)    Big Grin



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Damn, why didn't radio stations ever play this stuff?







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(09-12-2016, 08:30 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: Damn, why didn't radio stations ever play this stuff?


Don't know, I stopped listening to the radio a long time ago.
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Here is one of my favorite rock albums.  It is largely considered by fans to be the band's greatest work.

Quote:Like Nirvana — a group that they "paved the way for," according to the band's Krist Novoselic — Faith No More would zig where outsiders would urge them to zag. Their 1990 rap-metal volley "Epic" was a Top 10 hit, but they followed its album, The Real Thing, with the avant-metal terrordome Angel Dust, which Entertainment Weekly called, "probably the most uncommercial follow-up to a hit record ever." 

The opening song.





"RV."  For a young guy of 24, Mike Patton seemed quite concerned with the miseries of ageing.  This song is very funny, though.  "Yeah, I married a scarecrow..."





This song is just balls to the wall insane, and frightening.  "Applause!  Applause!  APPLAUSE!!"  









In this song, a criminal faces his sentence: "I am what I do...I am what I've done!! And I'm sorry!!"  As the song ends, Patton's screaming squalor fades away before a sternly beautiful organ and choral "amen."*  For a long time I assumed they'd lifted that part from some bewigged composer of old, but apparently it's the band's own composition.





*synthesized, sadly, too bad there wasn't enough on the budget to hire a real choir

Quote:However — in America at least — returns would only diminish. 1992's defiantly weird, chaos-crammed Angel Dust would only go gold. [Guitarist Jim] Martin would acrimoniously split from the band after a series of public spats. Too heavy for the post-grunge pop hits of the Verve and Third Eye Blind, too arty to work comfortably with the nu-metal knuckle-draggers they spawned, it wasn't clear where the band fit in by the end of the decade. 

Both quotes from: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/featur...k-20150512
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(09-12-2016, 11:13 PM)gabrielle Wrote: Here is one of my favorite rock albums.  It is largely considered by fans to be the band's greatest work.

Quote:Like Nirvana — a group that they "paved the way for," according to the band's Krist Novoselic — Faith No More would zig where outsiders would urge them to zag. Their 1990 rap-metal volley "Epic" was a Top 10 hit, but they followed its album, The Real Thing, with the avant-metal terrordome Angel Dust, which Entertainment Weekly called, "probably the most uncommercial follow-up to a hit record ever." 

The opening song.

..............

"RV."  For a young guy of 24, Mike Patton seemed quite concerned with the miseries of ageing.  This song is very funny, though.  "Yeah, I married a scarecrow..."

..............

This song is just balls to the wall insane, and frightening.  "Applause!  Applause!  APPLAUSE!!"  

...............

...............

In this song, a criminal faces his sentence: "I am what I do...I am what I've done!! And I'm sorry!!"  As the song ends, Patton's screaming squalor fades away before a sternly beautiful organ and choral "amen."*  For a long time I assumed they'd lifted that part from some bewigged composer of old, but apparently it's the band's own composition.

...............

*synthesized, sadly, too bad there wasn't enough on the budget to hire a real choir

Quote:However — in America at least — returns would only diminish. 1992's defiantly weird, chaos-crammed Angel Dust would only go gold. [Guitarist Jim] Martin would acrimoniously split from the band after a series of public spats. Too heavy for the post-grunge pop hits of the Verve and Third Eye Blind, too arty to work comfortably with the nu-metal knuckle-draggers they spawned, it wasn't clear where the band fit in by the end of the decade. 

Both quotes from: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/featur...k-20150512

If one is going to mention the most versatile vocalizations of Mike Patton in the 1990's (in particular his contribution to Angel Dust) one should not leave out his contributions to Mr. Bungle which I consider more interesting that his work with Faith No More (of which I am a huge fan).





And the classic Carousel which also features audio samples from the magnificent cyclone pinball machine.



The single despot stands out in the face of all men, and says: I am the State: My will is law: I am your master: I take the responsibility of my acts: The only arbiter I acknowledge is the sword: If any one denies my right, let him try conclusions with me. -- Lysander Spooner
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Bands that offer the kind of sound that Faith No More presents should not be considered best songs ever. Yes, that's my opinion; I don't like bleeding in my ears from the "knuckle-draggers." I had to pause it. And, contrary to some Gen Xer opinion, yes, we need "more" faith. Who knows, maybe other performers can bring out the potential in the songs of bands like those. BUT I liked "Friday I'm in Love" by The Cure. They must be entering their "good period" now in this thread, which I have noticed before. Now that was a good sound and a good song, and I liked the video too. Perhaps you'll post some other good songs by The Cure. I think there's probably more where that came from.

I can see how Mr. Bungle could be "interesting." I'll be posting the REAL "Carousel" soon on the other thread.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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(09-14-2016, 06:49 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Bands that offer the kind of sound that Faith No More presents should not be considered best songs ever. Yes, that's my opinion; I don't like bleeding in my ears from the "knuckle-draggers." I had to pause it. And, contrary to some Gen Xer opinion, yes, we need "more" faith. Who knows, maybe other performers can bring out the potential in the songs of bands like those. BUT I liked "Friday I'm in Love" by The Cure. They must be entering their "good period" now in this thread, which I have noticed before. Now that was a good sound and a good song, and I liked the video too. Perhaps you'll post some other good songs by The Cure. I think there's probably more where that came from.

I can see how Mr. Bungle could be "interesting." I'll be posting the REAL "Carousel" soon on the other thread.

Knuckle-dragger? Ummmm, Mike Patton sings opera... In multiple languages...





He has one of the widest vocal ranges of anyone alive today and is easily the most talented singer of our generation (or any generation).





He can basically sing anything. Jazz? Yep.





Cover the Commodores? Yep.





Beatboxing while covering Lady Gaga? Yep.





Mike Patton, and really everyone he surrounds himself with, are about as evolved musicians as you are going to ever find.
The single despot stands out in the face of all men, and says: I am the State: My will is law: I am your master: I take the responsibility of my acts: The only arbiter I acknowledge is the sword: If any one denies my right, let him try conclusions with me. -- Lysander Spooner
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"Mike Patton, and really everyone he surrounds himself with, are about as evolved musicians as you are going to ever find."

Maybe so, and the other group was Mr. Bungle was OK; but then why does he condescend to produce or collaborate with those knuckle-dragging sounds I heard on the Faith No More video I heard here? I say there's just no excuse for such ear-bleeding. These musicians should have USED their artistic talent!

But I'll listen to some of the others you posted.

So he can sing, much better than most Gen Xers (not saying much, since most of them scream and screech). Nat Cole was the best. Johnny Mathis: much better. That was the time when vocal performance was at a premium. There were fine rock and soul singers in the sixties, but it was much more about the total sound and the song, then.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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(09-14-2016, 02:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: "Mike Patton, and really everyone he surrounds himself with, are about as evolved musicians as you are going to ever find."

Maybe so, and the other group was Mr. Bungle was OK; but then why does he condescend to produce or collaborate with those knuckle-dragging sounds I heard on the Faith No More video I heard here? I say there's just no excuse for such ear-bleeding. These musicians should have USED their artistic talent!

But I'll listen to some of the others you posted.

So he can sing, much better than most Gen Xers (not saying much, since most of them scream and screech). Nat Cole was the best. Johnny Mathis: much better. That was the time when vocal performance was at a premium. There were fine rock and soul singers in the sixties, but it was much more about the total sound and the song, then.
What you call knuckle dragging others may call wonderful and relatable. What is inexusable is how you berate Gen Xers and what they enjoy. A man your age should know better. Perhaps you never evolved past the 60's? The superiority complex is quite ugly.
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(09-14-2016, 06:14 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:
(09-14-2016, 02:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: "Mike Patton, and really everyone he surrounds himself with, are about as evolved musicians as you are going to ever find."

Maybe so, and the other group was Mr. Bungle was OK; but then why does he condescend to produce or collaborate with those knuckle-dragging sounds I heard on the Faith No More video I heard here? I say there's just no excuse for such ear-bleeding. These musicians should have USED their artistic talent!

But I'll listen to some of the others you posted.

So he can sing, much better than most Gen Xers (not saying much, since most of them scream and screech). Nat Cole was the best. Johnny Mathis: much better. That was the time when vocal performance was at a premium. There were fine rock and soul singers in the sixties, but it was much more about the total sound and the song, then.

Can you feel it, see it, hear it today?
If you can't, then it doesn't matter anyway
You will never understand it cuz it happens too fast
And it feels so good, it's like walking on glass
It's so cool, it's so hip, it's alright
It's so groovy, it's outta sight
Oh god i sang that! I LOVE THAT SONG!!!!!! Have to listen to it now!
1984 Apollonian Civic
ISFP - The Artist.






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(09-14-2016, 06:14 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:
(09-14-2016, 02:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: "Mike Patton, and really everyone he surrounds himself with, are about as evolved musicians as you are going to ever find."

Maybe so, and the other group was Mr. Bungle was OK; but then why does he condescend to produce or collaborate with those knuckle-dragging sounds I heard on the Faith No More video I heard here? I say there's just no excuse for such ear-bleeding. These musicians should have USED their artistic talent!

But I'll listen to some of the others you posted.

So he can sing, much better than most Gen Xers (not saying much, since most of them scream and screech). Nat Cole was the best. Johnny Mathis: much better. That was the time when vocal performance was at a premium. There were fine rock and soul singers in the sixties, but it was much more about the total sound and the song, then.

Can you feel it, see it, hear it today?
If you can't, then it doesn't matter anyway
You will never understand it cuz it happens too fast
And it feels so good, it's like walking on glass
It's so cool, it's so hip, it's alright
It's so groovy, it's outta sight

"If I speak at one constant volume
At one constant pitch
At one constant rhythm
right into your ear,
you still won't hear!
You still won't hear!
You still won't hear!
You still won't hear!
You still won't hear!
You still won't hear!
You still won't hear!"
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In 1992 Uncle Tupelo released their beautiful, largely acoustic album called March 16-20. 1992.

Another band that decided to zig when they were told to zag.  From wikipedia:  

Quote:In 1990, R.E.M. guitarist Peter Buck attended an Uncle Tupelo concert at the 40 Watt Club in Athens, Georgia. Buck was particularly impressed with the band's rendition of the Louvin Brothers' "Great Atomic Power", and contacted the band after the show. Uncle Tupelo singers Jay Farrar and Jeff Tweedy exchanged their interests in bluegrass music with Buck, and decided to collaborate on an acoustic music project in the future.[1]

Two years later, the alternative rock of bands such as Nirvana broke into the mainstream. Farrar was irate about the pressure from the music industry to sound like the trend:[2]
Quote:This should insulate us from that industry bullshit, people looking for the next Nirvana. I don't think anybody is the next Nirvana, certainly not us. People always talk about the next Beatles, the next Elvis. You can't predict that stuff.

Uncle Tupelo's frustrations with their record label Rockville Records grew when the label refused to pay the band's royalties for the sales of their first two albums. This resulted in a "nothing-to-lose context" for the recording of a third album. In what was a sharp contrast to the popular music styles at the time, Uncle Tupelo decided to record an album of folk songs.[3]

The album ended up outselling both of their previous albums combined.  It is my personal favorite.

This one was written and sung by Jay Farrar:





And this one by Jeff Tweedy:





A lovely instrumental:





And these two songs are covers of older songs, or of traditional folk tunes, so they don't really count as 3T songs entirely, but UT did an excellent job with them so here:





The instrumental part that starts about halfway through this track is very beautiful:





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_16%E2%80%9320,_1992
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From the album Diva



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Automatic for the People by REM also came out in 1992.  A number of good songs on here.















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