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(01-26-2021, 07:14 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-26-2021, 08:06 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-26-2021, 02:52 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: What is telling me about you and the strength of your position and the amount that you claim to know and what you don't really know?

At least he isn't basing his stuff on what he heard on Fox.
Nope, he's basing his on what/how he feels because he's not much of a thinker or a listener  like most Democratic supporters here.

Tell me which of us Democratic-leaning thinkers read, listen, or think little. Go ahead. Name names.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(01-27-2021, 04:54 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(01-26-2021, 07:14 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-26-2021, 08:06 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-26-2021, 02:52 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: What is telling me about you and the strength of your position and the amount that you claim to know and what you don't really know?

At least he isn't basing his stuff on what he heard on Fox.
Nope, he's basing his on what/how he feels because he's not much of a thinker or a listener  like most Democratic supporters here.

Tell me which of us Democratic-leaning thinkers read, listen, or think little. Go ahead. Name names.
You know your names. Do I really have to name names?
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(01-18-2021, 03:46 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 02:57 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: "We" as in "those of us who realize there's election fraud".  I've been following it pretty closely.

Even though I'm certain you're wrong, what impact would "voter fraud" have on the actual results of the election?

It has already had its impact, electing Biden and one or two Democrats in Georgia to the Senate.
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(01-28-2021, 03:55 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 03:46 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 02:57 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: "We" as in "those of us who realize there's election fraud".  I've been following it pretty closely.

Even though I'm certain you're wrong, what impact would "voter fraud" have on the actual results of the election?

It has already had its impact, electing Biden and one or two Democrats in Georgia to the Senate.
The GOP establishment lost the Senate seats in Georgia because the GOP embraced Biden as the victor and threw Trump under the bus and a bunch of Republican voters stayed home as a result. The additional illegal votes the Democrats created to benefit themselves mattered too and put them over the top. Oh well, we live in America and America has a history of war and violence and a Constitution that authorizes the use of them against tyranny. We are looking at a tyrannical regime right now. It's not targeting us yet but it will eventually.
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(01-31-2021, 04:56 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-28-2021, 03:55 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 03:46 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 02:57 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: "We" as in "those of us who realize there's election fraud".  I've been following it pretty closely.

Even though I'm certain you're wrong, what impact would "voter fraud" have on the actual results of the election?

It has already had its impact, electing Biden and one or two Democrats in Georgia to the Senate.

The GOP establishment lost the Senate seats in Georgia because the GOP embraced Biden as the victor and threw Trump under the bus and a bunch of Republican voters stayed home as a result. The additional illegal votes the Democrats created to benefit themselves mattered too and put them over the top. Oh well, we live in America and America has a history of war and violence. So, you use it as the Constitution intended to be used and keep the Progressives in check until the Supreme Court straightens it out and damages the credibility Biden/Harris presidency.

Uhhh... no. The GOP has typically won runoff seats in Georgia elections. Trump blew those Senate seats by acting his usual 'anal sphincter' self after he lost the general election. Parties do not win the Presidency; nominees do!

When are you going to recognize that objective standards show that Donald Trump was an awful President?  The electoral results show that he won under flukish circumstances and failed to allay doubt among those who voted against him in 2016. But as for Georgia: the Republican Party could have told voters that now that Trump had lost it would be unwise to give the Senate majority to the Democrats. As in Arizona there could be a dying machine, and dying machines can either go increasingly corrupt or fanatical (if not both), both may of which may be good for graft in corrupt deals or skimming off campaign contributions one last time.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(01-28-2021, 03:55 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 03:46 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 02:57 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: "We" as in "those of us who realize there's election fraud".  I've been following it pretty closely.

Even though I'm certain you're wrong, what impact would "voter fraud" have on the actual results of the election?

It has already had its impact, electing Biden and one or two Democrats in Georgia to the Senate.

An accusation with no proof or even evidence borders on slander.  No one in a position of authority -- including Republicans anxious to overturn the election -- has found a damn thing.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(01-31-2021, 04:56 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The GOP establishment lost the Senate seats in Georgia because the GOP embraced Biden as the victor and threw Trump under the bus and a bunch of Republican voters stayed home as a result. The additional illegal votes the Democrats created to benefit themselves mattered too and put them over the top. Oh well, we live in America and America has a history of war and violence and a Constitution that authorizes the use of them against tyranny. We are looking at a tyrannical regime right now. It's not targeting us yet but it will eventually.

Do let us know when the tyranny reigns.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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Classic X'er did not respond to my triple-dog dare. I deleted it (a scene from A Christmas Story)
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(01-31-2021, 05:10 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: When are you going to recognize that objective standards show that Donald Trump was an awful President? 

I have been saying for some time that the Republican Party has been for the elites forever, and picked up the racists with the southern strategy.  They just don't advertise the fact.  You can't take a shortcut and accuse all Republicans of thinking that way, but when you look at the increase the imbalance of wealth, anti benefit, anti union, ship the jobs abroad, anti domestic spending, anti minority vote, it is clear that that is what they are doing.

I'm not sure they can do that anymore.  No one is big for the elites.  Black Lives Matter has made it not cost effective to go crazy hurting minorities.  They have to steal votes to stay in power.  The Republicans are fractured, so not a lot of energy is going into keeping the racist, sexist, elitist con job going.

In theory, they are going to take a hard fall.  It is just that they have a long way to fall and it has only begun.

The big lie that there was a lot of fraud in the 2020 election should take a big hit in the second impeachment.  Everybody is binding themselves to Trump at the moment.  We'll see where it goes.
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(01-31-2021, 12:57 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-31-2021, 05:10 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: When are you going to recognize that objective standards show that Donald Trump was an awful President? 

I have been saying for some time that the Republican Party has been for the elites forever, and picked up the racists with the southern strategy.  They just don't advertise the fact.  You can't take a shortcut and accuse all Republicans of thinking that way, but when you look at the increase the imbalance of wealth, anti benefit, anti union, ship the jobs abroad, anti domestic spending, anti minority vote, it is clear that that is what they are doing.

I'm not sure they can do that anymore.  No one is big for the elites.  Black Lives Matter has made it not cost effective to go crazy hurting minorities.  They have to steal votes to stay in power.  The Republicans are fractured, so not a lot of energy is going into keeping the racist, sexist, elitist con job going.

In theory, they are going to take a hard fall.  It is just that they have a long way to fall and it has only begun.

The big lie that there was a lot of fraud in the 2020 election should take a big hit in the second impeachment.  Everybody is binding themselves to Trump at the moment.  We'll see where it goes.

Anti-elitism is strong in both parties now.  Of course how you define the term 'elite' determines everything. If the elites are the economic elites, then both parties are down on them, for different reasons.  If you're down on culture and education, then the right owns that.  The left is down on Christian and White Nationalism, but they are not elite categories.

I can't say that the second impeachment will change anything, though a splinter of the less-committed Trumpers seems to be splitting away ever so slightly.  In the end, Trump will get an undeserved pass, and claim both exoneration and persecution.  If the GOP leaves that in place, it will be an internal abscess.  Those tend to trigger sepsis.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(01-31-2021, 11:52 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-31-2021, 04:56 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The GOP establishment lost the Senate seats in Georgia because the GOP embraced Biden as the victor and threw Trump under the bus and a bunch of Republican voters stayed home as a result. The additional illegal votes the Democrats created to benefit themselves mattered too and put them over the top. Oh well, we live in America and America has a history of war and violence and a Constitution that authorizes the use of them against tyranny. We are looking at a tyrannical regime right now. It's not targeting us yet but it will eventually.

Do let us know when the tyranny reigns.
You won't be hearing from me or seeing me posting, I'll be busy fighting/participating in the 2nd American Revolutionary War and causing all kinds of problems/issues along with millions of other Americans. Don't worry, you'll see it as it's happening and you'll be freaking out over what your seeing happening too.
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(01-31-2021, 12:57 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-31-2021, 05:10 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: When are you going to recognize that objective standards show that Donald Trump was an awful President? 

I have been saying for some time that the Republican Party has been for the elites forever, and picked up the racists with the southern strategy.  They just don't advertise the fact.  You can't take a shortcut and accuse all Republicans of thinking that way, but when you look at the increase the imbalance of wealth, anti benefit, anti union, ship the jobs abroad, anti domestic spending, anti minority vote, it is clear that that is what they are doing.

I'm not sure they can do that anymore.  No one is big for the elites.  Black Lives Matter has made it not cost effective to go crazy hurting minorities.  They have to steal votes to stay in power.  The Republicans are fractured, so not a lot of energy is going into keeping the racist, sexist, elitist con job going.

In theory, they are going to take a hard fall.  It is just that they have a long way to fall and it has only begun.

The big lie that there was a lot of fraud in the 2020 election should take a big hit in the second impeachment.  Everybody is binding themselves to Trump at the moment.  We'll see where it goes.
Well, it certainly placed a group of GOP senators and congressmen/women out on a limb by themselves with no future. Oh well, live and let die.
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(01-31-2021, 11:51 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-28-2021, 03:55 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 03:46 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 02:57 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: "We" as in "those of us who realize there's election fraud".  I've been following it pretty closely.

Even though I'm certain you're wrong, what impact would "voter fraud" have on the actual results of the election?

It has already had its impact, electing Biden and one or two Democrats in Georgia to the Senate.

An accusation with no proof or even evidence borders on slander.  No one in a position of authority -- including Republicans anxious to overturn the election -- has found a damn thing.

If you don't like answers, don't ask questions.  The evidence and proof are an easy duckduckgo search away.
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(01-31-2021, 11:17 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-31-2021, 11:51 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-28-2021, 03:55 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 03:46 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 02:57 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: "We" as in "those of us who realize there's election fraud".  I've been following it pretty closely.

Even though I'm certain you're wrong, what impact would "voter fraud" have on the actual results of the election?

It has already had its impact, electing Biden and one or two Democrats in Georgia to the Senate.

An accusation with no proof or even evidence borders on slander.  No one in a position of authority -- including Republicans anxious to overturn the election -- has found a damn thing.

If you don't like answers, don't ask questions.  The evidence and proof are an easy duckduckgo search away.

I found a lot of, "Hey, look over there!  No, over there! ..." rinse and repeat.  Everything that has been argued has been addressed -- except the practice of "legal" voter suppression which the GOP uses to the fullest extent it can muster.  None of the accusations has proven viable.  Give it a rest.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(02-01-2021, 12:07 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-31-2021, 11:17 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: If you don't like answers, don't ask questions.  The evidence and proof are an easy duckduckgo search away.

I found a lot of, "Hey, look over there!  No, over there! ..." rinse and repeat.  Everything that has been argued has been addressed -- except the practice of "legal" voter suppression which the GOP uses to the fullest extent it can muster.  None of the accusations has proven viable.  Give it a rest.

Confirmed.  Georgia held a nine hour meeting which Warren claimed as his best evidence.  I sampled that.

The first thing I would note is that past Georgia policy has been to suppress votes by making it hard for people to cast them.  Thus, there are more hoops to be jumped through to vote than in most places.  Recently, the black organizers have been training voters on how to jump through those hoops.  The result turned the state blue.  The more traditional Republicans did not state the issue overtly, but they were trying to come up with a way to contend with making it easier in the age of COVID to cast votes.

This wound up with the person responsible for running the election to say many people have many opinions on how the Georgia rules for elections could be ‘improved’, but there was a good faith effort to comply with the current rules.  No one contradicted that, though not every concern voiced by conservatives was addressed.

Things could obviously be changed.  Conservatives would try to find more ways that couldn’t be trained away to suppress minority votes.  The Democrats would encourage more and easier voting.  There would always be a tension between the two approaches.  What they did not find was any evidence of systematic fraud.  The number which was most often quoted was that the machine vote implemented for quick results had the same number of votes as the manual recounts.  Thus, there was no tampering with the machines.

I would note that state wide elections such as for president, governor or senator can not be gerrymandered.  Everyone gets one vote.
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*** 2-Feb-21 World View -- Myanmar (Burma) military coup as army arrests Aung San Suu Kyi government officials

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
  • Myanmar (Burma) military coup as army arrests Aung San Suu Kyi government officials
  • How Aung Sang Suu Kyi became a useful idiot
  • China may intervene in Myanmar
  • The Kachin Independence Army (KIA) and Shan state

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**** Myanmar (Burma) military coup as army arrests Aung San Suu Kyi government officials
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Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi in happier days, before she turned into Hitler

The military in Myanmar (Burma) on Sunday arrested the country's
nominal leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, and about 45 other government
officials, in a military coup. Army chief Min Aung Hlaing declared a
state of emergency, and claims that the state of emergency will last a
year, and then there will be new elections.

Aung San Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy (NLD) party won a
landslide victory two months ago in November's parliamentary
elections, with 80% of the seats. The army's political party suffered
a huge defeat, and risked losing a great deal of power when the new
parliament was seated, which was scheduled for today (Monday).

In 2010, the army released Suu Kyi from detention. She had been under
detention since the 1988 student protests, in which she participated.
During her time in detention, she won a Nobel Peace Prize.

She went into politics and became country leader under the condition
that she "share power" with the army. There have been numerous
disagreements between the two, but apparently there was always one
area of agreement: Aung Sang Suu Kyi and the army and the Buddhist
monks, led by Ashin Wirathu, committed massive genocide, atrocities
and ethnic cleansing on ethnic Rohingya Muslims. Suu Kyi still
retains her Nobel Peace Prize anyway.

On Monday, the NLD issued a statement that had been written by Suu Kyi
in advance, in anticipation of the coup. In the statement, Suu Kyi
called on the country’s 55 million people to oppose a return to
“military dictatorship.” The implication is that she is asking her
supporters to protest and riot.

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**** How Aung Sang Suu Kyi became a useful idiot
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Cox's Bazar refugee camp for Rohingyas in Bangladesh, fleeing from Burma (al-Jazeera)

Army general Min Aung Hlaing, the leader of the coup, became head of
the army in 2011. That was the same year that Burma's security forces
began committing atrocities on Muslim ethnic Rohingyas living in
Rakhine State. The atrocities were supported by Buddhist monks, led
by Buddhist Monk Ashin Wirathu. The United Nations described it as "a
textbook example of ethnic cleansing." The atrocities included gang
rape, violent torture, execution-style killings and the razing of
entire villages, in a scorched earth campaign. Aung Sang Suu Kyi told
reporters nothing had happened.

In 2013, a mob of Buddhists attacked a Rohingya village, hacking 20
boys to death, and reduced an entire established community of 12,000
Muslims, including homes, shops and mosques, to ashes and rubble.
Aung Sang Suu Kyi told reporters nothing had happened.

A massive period of full-scale genocide and ethnic cleansing began in
August 2017. Tens of thousands were killed, and 730,000 refugees were
forced across the border into Bangladesh, where they're still living
in the crowded, filthy Cox's Bazar refugee camp.

In 2019, the International Court of Justice in the Hague held a trial
on Burma's genocide, and Aung Sang Suu Kyi came and defended the
army, saying that nothing had happened.

So Aung Sang Suu Kyi is just a useful idiot, becoming a war criminal
herself and serving the needs of the Burmese army war criminal, by
presenting a sympathetic tired, weary, female face to the world to
deflect the horrors and atrocities that are occurring in their
country.

These atrocities have been going on since 2011, but almost nobody
cared, or even cares much now, because of Aung Sang Suu Kyi's tired,
weary, female face, reciting the words of her puppetmaster Min Aung
Hlaing. Most Burmese people are well aware of the genocide and ethnic
cleansing of the Rohingyas. But they aren't bothered by it. They
love it. "Go on!" you might imagine millions of Burmese saying in
unison. "Torture the Rohingyas some more! Rape them some more! Slit
their throats, so that their impure blood waters the furrows of our
farmland!"

The Burmese hatred of the Rohingyas is not rare. That kind of ethnic
hatred is common in several countries today and recently. It's the
rule. It's the Chinese hatred of Uighurs. It's the Zimbabwe Shona
hatred of the Nbdele. It's the Syrian Alawite hatred of Arab Sunnis.
It's the Rwandan Hutu hatred of Tutsis. It's the Nazi hatred of Jews.
In America today, it's the Democrats' hatred of the 74 million Tea
Partiers and Trump supporters, as I described at length in "12-Jan-21 World View -- America and the standard Genocide Playbook"
.

Aung Sang Suu Kyi sold herself, her self-respect, and her soul out to
become a useful idiot for the Burmese army war criminals. As often
happens by groups united only be hatred and criminality, army and Aung
Sang Suu Kyi have now become enemies. The army has arrested Aung Sang
Suu Kyi and dozens of people in her government, but the army just lost
an election in a landslide, and they can't arrest the millions of
people who supported her. (This is also a lesson for America.)

Aung Sang Suu Kyi has called on her millions of supporters to oppose
the coup with protests. This could easily unravel into full-scale
riots. However, the Burmese forces were extremely violent for years
against the Rohingyas, and they won't hesitate to be equally violent
against their own people. They can also count on support from the
Chinese Communists, who conduct their own violence against Uighurs,
Tibetans, Buddhists, Christians, and anyone who disagrees with them.

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**** China may intervene in Myanmar
****


Myanmar and China share a common border, and they have a great deal in
common, especially since both are committing genocide and ethnic
cleansing of Muslims, of Rohingyas and Uighurs, respectively. That
must give them a lot to talk about, to discuss the best methods for
torture and enslavement. Indeed, in a meeting last month with Min
Aung Hlaing, China's foreign minister Wang Yi called the two countries
“brothers” while praising the military’s “national revitalization.”
Myanmar has promised to "continue to support China's position on
issues related to Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang." They also support each
other in the United Nations, when they're accused of crimes against
humanity. It takes one to know one.

China is heavily involved in building Myanmar's infrastructure,
including a joint construction project to build the China-Myanmar
Economic Corridor (CMEC), which is part of China's Belt and Road
Initiative (BRI). The CMEC focuses on 12 areas including basic
infrastructure, construction, manufacturing, agriculture, transport,
finance, human resource development and telecommunications.

China is also practicing "vaccine diplomacy," by promising to provide
300,000 doses of coronavirus vaccines to Myanmar.

However, China and Burma have also had strong disagreements over
separatist ethnic groups. In August 2009, there was violent fighting
between Burma's army and rebels from the Kokang ethnic group. This
angered the Chinese because the Kokang are a Han Chinese minority,
and got China's army involved briefly.

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**** The Kachin Independence Army (KIA) and Shan state
****


The wild card in this situation is the separatist Kachin Independence
Army (KIA), which is demanding a separate state for the Kachin ethnic
group. They've joined together with the Shan ethnic group and other
ethnic groups in northern Burma, along the border with China, to form a
"northern alliance" against Burma's army. In northern Shan state,
intense fighting has occurred since January 2018 and intensified since
December 2020. There are an estimated 7 ethnic armed organizations, 20
militia groups, and 7 Border Guard Forces (BGFs) actively engaged in
an armed independence movement against the Myanmar government.

Burma's last two generational crisis wars (1886-91 and 1948-58) were
extremely bloody and violent civil wars involving multiple ethnic
groups. (See "Burma: Growing demonstrations by the '88 Generation' raise fears of new slaughter"
)

62 years have passed since the climax of the last generational crisis
war, so Burma is ripe for cycling around and having a new violent
ethnic civil war. China was heavily involved in the 1950s crisis war,
and they would be involved in a new Myanmar civil war, possibly
destabilizing the entire region.

Pretty much everyone is shocked that the army engineered this coup at
this time. Analysts are puzzled by why the army took this step right
now, since they pretty much control everything anyway, even with Aung
San Suu Kyi as the nominal leader.

So the following is speculation: Perhaps the Burmese army has
intelligence that sees signs of new KIA activity, and they want to
lock everything down. As I said, this is speculation, but the current
situation appears to be potentially very unstable, with an army coup,
with threats of protests and riots by Aung Sang Suu Kyi's millions of
supporters, and with the possibility of protests by the Kachin and
Shan ethnic groups, it's necessary to watch the situation in Myanmar
very carefully in the next few weeks.

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KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Myanmar, Burma, Aung San Suu Kyi,
Min Aung Hlaing, National League for Democracy, NLD,
Rakhine State, Ashin Wirathu, Rohingyas, Bangladesh, Cox's Bazar,
International Court of Justice, Wang Yi, Belt and Road Initiative, BRI,
China-Myanmar Economic Corridor, CMEC

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*** 8-Feb-21 World View -- Violence feared in Myanmar/Burma as pro-democracy protests grow

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
  • Violence feared in Myanmar/Burma as pro-democracy protests grow
  • History of violence and atrocities in Burma
  • Similarity between Burma and Washington DC
  • The state of the world.
  • Infographic: Refugee flows around the world

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**** Violence feared in Myanmar/Burma as pro-democracy protests grow
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Thousands of protesters in Yangon on Sunday carrying placards with image of Aung San Suu Kyi (BBC)

Myanmar / Burma is seeing its largest protests in more than a decade,
as tens of thousands of protesters demanded that Aung San Suu Kyi be
freed, after she was arrested by the army last weekend during an army
coup. (See "2-Feb-21 World View -- Myanmar (Burma) military coup as army arrests Aung San Suu Kyi government officials"
)

The "problem" that the army has to face is that Suu Kyi has millions
of supporters, as her party won legislative elections by a landslide
in November.

To combat the peaceful protests, the army shut down the internet. The
army shut down internet social media, and then the entire internet,
making it difficult for international observers to know what was going
on, and to prevent protesters from easily communicating with one
another. However, on Saturday, the internet was partially restored,
though social media is still blocked.

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**** History of violence and atrocities in Burma
****


What everyone fears is the next tactic -- violence.

In October 2007, there were large nationwide anti-army pro-democracy
demonstrations, led by over 100,000 Buddhist monks. These were
demonstrations by the "88 Generation," triggered by an abrupt
government decision to double the price of gasoline. ( "Burma: Growing demonstrations by the '88 Generation' raise fears of new slaughter"
)

Hundreds of activists and citizens were shot dead or burned alive in
government crematoriums. Thousands of Buddhist monks, who led the
protests to begin with, were gathered up and detained. Some were
found floating face down in rivers.

By coincidence, Sylvester Stallone was filming a Rambo film nearby,
and witnessed some of the genocide. Stallone said:

<QUOTE>"I witnessed the aftermath—survivors with legs cut off
and all kinds of land mine injuries, maggot-infested wounds and
ears cut off. We saw many elephants with blown off legs. We hear
about Vietnam and Cambodia and this was more horrific. This is a
hellhole beyond your wildest dreams. All the trails are
mined. The only way into Burma is up the river."<END QUOTE>


The October 2007 demonstrations occurred 19 years after the previous
major nationwide demonstrations, starting on August 8, 1988 (8/8/88),
creating what was called the "88 Generation," led by Aung San Suu Kyi.
Those demonstrations were crushed when the Burmese army fired on
students with machine guns, killing thousands. Suu Kyi was arrested
and put into detention for years.

Atrocities come easily to Burma's army. Since 2011, the army has been
committing atrocities on Muslim ethnic Rohingyas living in Rakhine
State, as I described in last week's article. The atrocities included
gang rape, violent torture, execution-style killings and the razing of
entire villages, in a scorched earth campaign. Aung Sang Suu Kyi
became a "useful idiot" for the army by presenting a sympathetic,
tired, weary, female face to the world to deflect the horrors and
atrocities that are occurring in their country, as I described
in my article.

Suu Kyi appeased the army by becoming a useful idiot, just as
Neville Chamberlain appeased Hitler and the Nazis. In both cases
there were high prices to be paid for being appeasers.

The international community is now waiting to see what will happen
next in Burma. Anti-government pro-democracy protests have been
growing. How long will the army wait before repeating the violence
and atrocities that come as easily to them as smoking a cigarette?

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**** Similarity between Burma and Washington DC
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Nancy Pelosi has requested thousands of troops in Washington DC, armed with crew-manned machine guns like the one shown above

The problems facing the Democrats in Washington DC are similar to the
problems facing the army in Burma.

The Burmese army has to deal with millions of Aung Sang Suu Kyi
supporters conducting street protests. They've arrested Suu Kyi so
that she can't communicate with her supporters, and they've shut down
internet social media so that her supporters can't communicate with
one another.

The Democrats have to deal with 74 million Trump supporters who,
according to polls I've seen, overwhelmingly support Trump. The
wealthy, powerful "Big Tech" companies have colluded with the
Democrats to shut down thousands of social media accounts to prevent
Trump from communicating with his supporters, and to prevent his
supporters from communicating with each other. This kind of mass
censorship is previously unheard of in America, and suggests that
America is becoming a Stalinist dictatorship.

The Democrats are taking other steps. Joe Biden announced last
week that hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens will be permitted
to enter the United States freely. The apparent purpose is to send
them mail-in ballots in 2022 and instruct them to vote for Democrats.

What about violence? The Burmese army is on the verge of violence as
the only way to handle even peaceful demonstrations by the millions of
supporters of Suu Kiy.

Would the Democrats use violence to control peaceful demonstrations by
the 74 million Trump supporters?

Let's make it a little more specific. Look at the first picture at
the beginning of this article with a mob of peaceful demonstrators
carrying placards with pictures Aung Sang Suu Kyi. Now imagine that
as a crowd of Trump supporters carrying placards with pictures of
Trump, with text reading "Trump - The Real President."

Something like that could actually happen. What would the Democrats
do? Would Nancy Pelosi totally freak out? On January 20, the acting
Deputy Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security Ken Cuccinelli
said that Nancy Pelosi had requested thousands of troops to remain in
DC for months, and she wanted them armed with crew-manned machine
guns. These are the guns used in countries like Burma to kill dozens
of student protesters within seconds. The request was denied, but
this request shows the state of mind of Pelosi and the Democrats.

We also note that Biden is ordering the army to "stand down" so that
"extremists" can be weeded out. To the Democrats, all 74 million Tea
Partiers and Trump supporters are extremists or cultists that need to
be "deprogrammed."

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**** The state of the world.
****


If you're talking about psychology and madness, it's hard to find any
aspect of today's world that isn't full of madness.

You have full-scale genocide going on in China, as bad as the world
has seen since the 1930s, or worse. China is also annexing or
threatening to annex other regions, as the Nazis did in the 1930s.

There are huge refugee flows around the world. The number of
displaced persons has surged astronomically since 2010.

America is being governed by "big tech" companies, and America is
moving in the direction of a Stalinist dictatorship.

Stock prices are at astronomically high valuations, and global debt is
unsustainable in the hundreds of trillions.

I find the madness of today's world personally overwhelming. To say
that it's a world that is senseless to me is an understatement. I can
understand how King Solomon saw a world of madness and folly and
chaos.

Generational Dynamics is less about predictions than it is about
trends. And the madness and folly and chaos trends are growing worse
every day. These are the trends, and the trends are unstoppable.
Every aspect of today's world is worse than yesterday's world. The
only good news is that today's world is better than tomorrow's world.

If something can't go on forever, then it won't.

People talk about how to prevent World War III. But Generational
Dynamics sees a world that needs World War III. Each day's delay
means that World War III will be even worse.

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**** Infographic: Refugee flows around the world
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Infographic: Refugee flows around the world surging since 2010 (UNHCR)

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Quote:The problems facing the Democrats in Washington DC are similar to the
problems facing the army in Burma.

The Burmese army has to deal with millions of Aung Sang Suu Kyi
supporters conducting street protests. They've arrested Suu Kyi so
that she can't communicate with her supporters, and they've shut down
internet social media so that her supporters can't communicate with
one another.

Comparing Joe Biden to the Burmese Army is about like comparing Karl Mannerheim (effective leader of a democratic Finland in WWII) to the Nazi SS. The Burmese Army has a well-earned reputation as genocidal tool of dictatorial regimes... and is effectively a State within a State. Comparing Aung Sang Suu Kyi to people who violated the sanctity of the Capitol is almost like comparing Alexander Kerensky to the Bolsheviks who stormed the Winter Palace in Petrograd in 1917.

The impression that I have of Burma is that the Burmese Army throughout its existence has run the country so  that it can grab every resource possible and ensure that the only way in which to prosper in Burma is to be in the upper echelon of the Army, to have connections to the Army for personal gain, or to do something both extremely sleazy and profitable -- but easy to skim. At one time Burma was a center of the world trade in illicit opiates after the Chinese Communists started executing drug traffickers while Burma remained a safe haven for drug traffickers so long as they gave the Army a share in the take. (Normal businesses typically have much lower profit margins and aren't so easy to bleed. Impose punitive taxes upon businesses and the cost of living soars. The Burmese people obviously can't afford drug habits, so nobody cares except for people that just about everyone loathes).

Even if Burmese democrats succeed in remaining in power they will need to dismantle the command economy that the Burmese Armed Forces has in place.       


Quote:The Democrats have to deal with 74 million Trump supporters who,
according to polls I've seen, overwhelmingly support Trump. The
wealthy, powerful "Big Tech" companies have colluded with the
Democrats to shut down thousands of social media accounts to prevent
Trump from communicating with his supporters, and to prevent his
supporters from communicating with each other. This kind of mass
censorship is previously unheard of in America, and suggests that
America is becoming a Stalinist dictatorship.

Biden got over 51% of the popular vote, which is over 81 million votes to about 46% of the popular vote and 74 million votes by Donald Trump. The Electoral College established that Donald Trump got the votes that mattered more under our system in 2016. In 2020 Joe Biden got slightly more of the total share of the vote than did Ronald Reagan in 1980. That was enough to win the Electoral College 306-232, which is much less than Reagan got in 1980. I don't really want to compare what would have happened had Carter won all the popular votes that John Anderson won that year because... well, Biden isn't Reagan. Trump is Reagan without the wise advisors (like the recently-deceased George Shultz), the wit, the caution, the coachability, the occasional kind words, the willingness to get his way piecemeal instead of all at once, and the selflessness. If Reagan was a fine actor (if not at the level of such contemporaries as Cary Grant, Jimmy Stewart, Gary Cooper, Henry Fonda, and Laurence Olivier), he did not go into directing or become a studio boss as his talent as an actor faded. Trump has been the studio boss for some very bad television. 

The difference between Trump winning in 2016 and losing in 2020 boils down to demographic change. Voters over 55 in 2016 were about 5% more D than R in 2016. They were also over 59 -- if they survived. About 1.6% of the electorate dies off or goes senile each year and thus quits voting, and those people are predominately over 55. The people replacing them are largely under 40, and for now those people vote about 20% more D than R. Trump did little to win younger voters from the D fold... so over four years about 6.4% of the vote shifts from 5% more R to D to 20% more D than R. Trump was much the same person in 2020 as in 2016, and people who thought that he was wonderful in 2016 generally still voted for him in 2020. People who despised him in 2016 still voted against him in 2020. That model suggested an even shift of about 1.6% from R to D, which would have flipped Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin to Biden (which would have been enough), and Florida, which would have flipped in an even shift. That model would have predicted that Biden would win 307-321. Trump did hold Florida, but he lost Arizona, Georgia, and the Second Congressional District of Nebraska instead, so Biden won 306-232. One electoral vote off from that model is amazing.  I'm not going to discuss why the states went as they did. On the whole, those who voted in 2016 seemed to vote much the same way in 2020 -- if they voted. The people who joined or departed the electorate probably made the difference.

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As for Big Tech dominating American life... Facebook, Twitter, and other social media operate much like open forums.  People seem to do with new technology largely (once the technology is easy enough to use that one no longer need be tech-savvy to use it) what they did with older forms of technology. E-mail is much like the telegraph in its function. We are getting methods for imitating conference calls (I have yet to learn how to use those). People use cell phones much like their old landline phones. YouTube videos resemble television and the old cinematic shorts. YouTube is beginning to cut into the cable TV racket. People do much on Facebook and Twitter what they used to do by mail. It can be anything from transmitting news ("Hey, Kim... George Shultz just died!"), photos and short video ("Hey, Gene! I have some photos from my trip to Yosemite!), recipes, and news about family get togethers... the more political stuff is like the old-fashioned letters to the editor in newspapers. (Newspapers have been trying to replace dead-tree editions with electronic editions). With a newspaper, getting a letter into the column the editor had more control over what went in. Typically an editor refused to publish something from a source outside the market area for the newspaper unless there was some compelling reason for doing so. In the town in which I live, one must demonstrate that (1) what you right is genuine, (2) it is germane to the community,  (3) that it isn't commercial in nature (don't try selling your boat in the letters to the editor; that is welcome in the want ads), and (4) that you live within the market zone for the paper. The editor could reject anything for incoherence, irrelevance, offense, potential slander or libel, militancy, or quackery. The letter can be truncated and of course corrected for grammatical errors, punctuation, and spelling. 

Facebook and Twitter were free-for-alls. People could supply almost anything, and there were even fakes. In 2016 there was much of that, like "Georgia Blacks for Trump" who claim to be from Atlanta, but whose IP address is in Nigeria.  If they spoke on video they had Nigerian accents while claiming to have been born in Georgia. What couldn't make it? Commercial messages, porn, and material obviously violating copyright laws. 

The free-for-all is over. One must admit that much of what was in Trump tweets was offensive. But he was President! Racism and religious bigotry? Do we need that any more than we need pornography? OK, erotica  serves some purpose for lonely people. Calls to violence? Few predicted that there would be a mob doing their American version of the Beer Hall Putsch or the  storming of the Winter Palace based on the conversational "traffic" because supposedly such does not happen in America.  Now we know.     



Quote:The Democrats are taking other steps. Joe Biden announced last
week that hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens will be permitted
to enter the United States freely. The apparent purpose is to send
them mail-in ballots in 2022 and instruct them to vote for Democrats.

They would have to get citizenship fast. The minimum time for achieving US citizenship is typically five years, which won't be in time for the 2022 or 2024 elections. People now illegal aliens would need to apply for citizenship and start the process.  


Quote:What about violence? The Burmese army is on the verge of violence as
the only way to handle even peaceful demonstrations by the millions of
supporters of Suu Kiy.

The Burmese Army has typically resorted to brute force to solve the question of power. It knows well that the gravy train of a command economy that serves the Army first and at the expense of all else would come to an end in a democracy. A democratic Burma would by necessity scale back the Armed Forces, establish something closer to a free-market economy like that of Thailand, and put an end to the persecution of the Rohingya. Multi-ethnic democracies may be shakier than those more homogeneous, but for real instability, look to a multi-ethnic society under a dictatorship.

A system like that in Burma exploits practically everyone. When the military is in control, practically everyone is a prisoner or a serf. 

Quote:Would the Democrats use violence to control peaceful demonstrations by
the 74 million Trump supporters?

They would be treated much like Black Lives Matter. Violent acts within a peaceful protest are matters for police to deal with. Most people in peaceful protests gladly sacrifice violent participants to the police.  

There have been plenty of peaceful protests. I've driven past them. 


Quote:Let's make it a little more specific. Look at the first picture at
the beginning of this article with a mob of peaceful demonstrators
carrying placards with pictures Aung Sang Suu Kyi. Now imagine that
as a crowd of Trump supporters carrying placards with pictures of
Trump, with text reading "Trump - The Real President."

The big difference is that Aung Sang Suu Kyi was legitimately elected in parliamentary elections, and Donald Trump was clearly not re-elected. A placard that has a picture of Obama and text reading "Obama - Still My President" or "Hillary Clinton - the real President" would be protected under the First Amendment. Have people been busted for saying "F--- Joe Biden"? I think not. It is offensive.     



Quote:Something like that could actually happen. What would the Democrats
do? Would Nancy Pelosi totally freak out? On January 20, the acting
Deputy Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security Ken Cuccinelli
said that Nancy Pelosi had requested thousands of troops to remain in
DC for months, and she wanted them armed with crew-manned machine
guns. These are the guns used in countries like Burma to kill dozens
of student protesters within seconds. The request was denied, but
this request shows the state of mind of Pelosi and the Democrats.

Source, please!


Quote:We also note that Biden is ordering the army to "stand down" so that
"extremists" can be weeded out. To the Democrats, all 74 million Tea
Partiers and Trump supporters are extremists or cultists that need to
be "deprogrammed."

Millions of them are going to deprogram themselves as they realize that what the words seemed to mean was very different from what they meant.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(02-08-2021, 05:27 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:
Quote:We also note that Biden is ordering the army to "stand down" so that
"extremists" can be weeded out. To the Democrats, all 74 million Tea
Partiers and Trump supporters are extremists or cultists that need to
be "deprogrammed."

Millions of them are going to deprogram themselves as they realize that what the words seemed to mean was very different from what they meant.

John is one of those believers in lies.  I've been projecting that Trump would produce no evidence of voter fraud in his second impeachment when he will have as much reason as any to produce the evidence, but even if he doesn't John will still favor what he wants to believe over what there is evidence of.  Xenakis is just that intellectually bankrupt.

Many of the extreme followers are just racist.  Note that most of the people who led the capitol insurrection were with the racist organizations.  They just would rather destroy democracy than let go of their hate.  Holding on to a racist presidency was worth it to them lest Biden reduce the immunity to murdering minorities and make it harder to suppress votes.

I would hope it would be clear that Trump lied and your anticipated self deprogramming happened.  I will believe it when I see it.  There is still the hope that a small government scheme to not provided services to minority won't backfire to hurt the working poor as well, but the hurt is real and folks are starting to see reality.  If Biden makes a big dent in the problems which Trump ignored, we should be all right.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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Just a quibble--

(02-07-2021, 09:19 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: [Image: g210207c.jpg]
Nancy Pelosi has requested thousands of troops in Washington DC, armed with crew-manned machine guns like the one shown above

That's actually a sniper rifle, not a machinegun.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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